[Denk]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

A last question about Dct: is it true M2 has less options /shiftmodes than M3/4?

I thought the whole tranny was the same for M2/3/4?
And if so what are the differences?

Thanks

Cheers
Robin

Both have 3 shift modes but with the M2 a few things are shared per mode/Driving experience switch. It appears that the M2 lacks the individual programmability of the M3/M4 and e9x. Potentially a compromise for some. Here's some info on the 3 modes for the M2.

The
driving
experience
switch
has
3
modes.
• COMFORT
• SPORT
• SPORT
+

The
following
systems
are
influenced
by
the
3
modes:
• Engine
response
• Engine
speed
adaptation
• Load-reversal
damping
• Active
Sound
Design
(ASD)
• Electrical
exhaust-flap
controller
• M
DKG
Drivelogic
• M
Servotronic
EPS
• Automatic
engine
start-stop
function
(MSA)
• M
dynamic
mode/DSC

The
following
states
can
be
additionally
activated
by
the
DTC
button:
• DSC
on
• DTC
on
(M
dynamic
mode
on)
• DSC
off

[W///]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I personally don't see how the M2 could be more linear. I'm wondering if what he was feeling was that the M3/4 has so much power that it wants to go sideways and the M2 with less was just easier to go fast. I don't know because I haven't driven either one.

I actually thought the same thing as you. If you look at the dyno plots, I don't see what he's talking about. I don't think anyone would argue that the M3/4 can easily overwhelm their tires (especially now that the 19s come with Contis). So maybe it's because you've got DSC kicking in so the power doesn't feel as linear? I really don't know either, would have to test drive the M2.

Originally Posted by KevinM

Both the M3/4 and M2 are clearly wonderful cars. It's funny how even M fans get into battles about whose car is "better." It all depends what you need and want.

I've been putting off a new car purchase for a while in part because I wanted to consider the M2. I almost bought my friend's 1M a few years ago, and really enjoyed driving it. However, I have nice window for ED this summer and have never done that. Additionally, I love my current DD for > 11 years, an E39 M5, and I consider the F80 to be it's true successor. The E39 is a nice size for me and the F80 is similar. So, with some regret, I am leaning towards a competition package F80 this summer.

Just for some perspective, I was able to drive a MT F82 last year and enjoyed it. In terms of steering feel, my Z4M coupe (and my previous DD, an E39 530) >> E39 M5 >> F82, but it was still fine for a DD. Power delivery was fun, and clearly not as linear as my other Ms (and not expected to be). I'm hoping the competition package smooths things out a bit.

I'm on the exact same boat. Are you planning on keeping the Z4M (you really should!)? If so, I'd go with an F80. What essentially killed off the M2 for me was the fact that I decided to keep my E36 M3. The whole reason I wanted to get the M2 was because it was more nimble and playful than an F80, but why get that when the E36 already does that very well? Might as well get something that I do not have yet, which is the F80. Space, practicality, torque for days and cloth seats

Also, the fact that what I'm going to pay for the F80 would be under $10k difference than the M2 costs was also important.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by W///

(especially now that the 19s come with Contis

Do all M3/4 come with Contis? If not, can you request the PSS?

[W///]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

Do all M3/4 come with Contis? If not, can you request the PSS?

It's luck of the draw, you can't specify. I believe pretty much all of them are coming with Contis right now as Michelin seems to be unable to keep up with the demand. That's just my guess.

Either way, I personally plan on ditching the Contis after a couple of thousand miles and going with some more aggressive and wider tires. The M3/4 needs it.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Denk

Both have 3 shift modes but with the M2 a few things are shared per mode/Driving experience switch. It appears that the M2 lacks the individual programmability of the M3/M4 and e9x. Potentially a compromise for some. Here's some info on the 3 modes for the M2.

The
driving
experience
switch
has
3
modes.
• COMFORT
• SPORT
• SPORT
+

The
following
systems
are
influenced
by
the
3
modes:
• Engine
response
• Engine
speed
adaptation
• Load-reversal
damping
• Active
Sound
Design
(ASD)
• Electrical
exhaust-flap
controller
• M
DKG
Drivelogic
• M
Servotronic
EPS
• Automatic
engine
start-stop
function
(MSA)
• M
dynamic
mode/DSC

The
following
states
can
be
additionally
activated
by
the
DTC
button:
• DSC
on
• DTC
on
(M
dynamic
mode
on)
• DSC
off

Thanks so much.
I just was at my dealer: I changed from DCT to 6MT.
May '16 production date.

Still driving/sliding my good old 1M.

Cheers
Robin

[Romo]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Thanks so much.
I just was at my dealer: I changed from DCT to 6MT.
May '16 production date.

Still driving/sliding my good old 1M.

Cheers
Robin

Once again my, sincere, congratulations.

As I said it before, your driving capabilities are just to be good for the DCT, the lack of control and driving involvement, the character of gear change, would have hurt certainly your driving fun!

But what ever you would have chosen, I always respected your choice !

[Denk]

Originally Posted by W///

It's luck of the draw, you can't specify. I believe pretty much all of them are coming with Contis right now as Michelin seems to be unable to keep up with the demand. That's just my guess.

Either way, I personally plan on ditching the Contis after a couple of thousand miles and going with some more aggressive and wider tires. The M3/4 needs it.

Yeah, the Conti's are weak in grip, especially compared to PSS's. Huge difference between the two. I'm talking about the Conti 3's.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Denk

Yeah, the Conti's are weak in grip, especially compared to PSS's. Huge difference between the two. I'm talking about the Conti 3's.

Even the stock sized PSS already get overwhelmed by the S55's torque. I plan on going 265/285 Bridgestone R71R.

But I'm getting way too far ahead of myself

[Denk]

Originally Posted by W///

Even the stock sized PSS already get overwhelmed by the S55's torque. I plan on going 265/285 Bridgestone R71R.

But I'm getting way too far ahead of myself

I hear you.

[24601]

Originally Posted by Attuale

They were trying to keep the cost down. If seats and mirrors mean so much to you in a car that is about driving, perhaps you should look at something else.

Keeping cost down on a standard 2er would be correct. Not on an M car. Maybe you're right, the things I care about are inclusive on M cars. This is just a more fancy M235i.

BTW, I'd pay more if they were an option. It should have at least been that.

[24601]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Welcome to two months ago. Glad you could join us!

Better late than never.

However, Attuale doesn't seem to see the obvious consensus of what this car does and doesn't have, so it's always nice to have a refresher.

[evanescent03]

I have an M3 and I test drove the m235i while I was shopping around. no doubt that the m235i felt much smaller and more flickable. that's fun around town and for autox, but probably becomes more of a handful on the track due to shorter wheelbase, kinda like I've heard said about the 1M coupe.

I appreciate the extra space in my M3 for my carseats, etc and I can still track the thing. the M2 is much more aggressive than the m235i which I like, but found it on the "cute little car" side (as I'm sure the M5 guys see the M3).

interior detail is kind of a big selling point for the M3 also... not sure why they had to keep it so standard-2er...

should be fun to see the comparos.

[W///]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

I have an M3 and I test drove the m235i while I was shopping around. no doubt that the m235i felt much smaller and more flickable. that's fun around town and for autox, but probably becomes more of a handful on the track due to shorter wheelbase, kinda like I've heard said about the 1M coupe.

I appreciate the extra space in my M3 for my carseats, etc and I can still track the thing. the M2 is much more aggressive than the m235i which I like, but found it on the "cute little car" side (as I'm sure the M5 guys see the M3).

interior detail is kind of a big selling point for the M3 also... not sure why they had to keep it so standard-2er...

should be fun to see the comparos.

You'd think that. But I just watched the Motortrend review of the M2 early and that's just not the case at all. The M2 was the more confidence inspiring car.

As a matter of fact, when I drove the M235i back to back with an F80 at the PC, I thought the F80 was far more on edge than the regular 2er. Also, because of it's smaller size, it just felt like the "friendlier" car to me. I have no doubt the M2 would be the same.

P.S. Now that the M2 reviews are starting to pour out, I'm anxiously waiting for more M3/4 CP reviews.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by W///

You'd think that. But I just watched the Motortrend review of the M2 early and that's just not the case at all. The M2 was the more confidence inspiring car.

As a matter of fact, when I drove the M235i back to back with an F80 at the PC, I thought the F80 was far more on edge than the regular 2er. Also, because of it's smaller size, it just felt like the "friendlier" car to me. I have no doubt the M2 would be the same.

P.S. Now that the M2 reviews are starting to pour out, I'm anxiously waiting for more M3/4 CP reviews.

I think it's weird that you found the M3 on edge.. it's got torque for days but I feel it is really predictable and well mannered, but I'm no pro driver.

I think there are people who just want a smaller cars and will love the m2 for that. unfortunately there is no perfect car and I think a lot of the decision between these two will come down to preference, which is great. if I were looking for a small 2+2, the M2 would definitely be on my short list, but having owned non-M cars, I do wish the interior didn't remind me so much of those cars. not a huge deal, but definitely a factor to me.

I still would like to drive one and see first hand what it's like... I bet it's really going to be a blast to drive.

[W///]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

I think it's weird that you found the M3 on edge.. it's got torque for days but I feel it is really predictable and well mannered, but I'm no pro driver.

I think there are people who just want a smaller cars and will love the m2 for that. unfortunately there is no perfect car and I think a lot of the decision between these two will come down to preference, which is great. if I were looking for a small 2+2, the M2 would definitely be on my short list, but having owned non-M cars, I do wish the interior didn't remind me so much of those cars. not a huge deal, but definitely a factor to me.

I still would like to drive one and see first hand what it's like... I bet it's really going to be a blast to drive.

While I don't absolutely need a rear seat, I don't really want to keep adding coupes to my garage, so an M2 GC would have been the perfect car for me.

I'm just glad BMW is offered 6MT still for both of them. It's getting harder and harder to find cars with a manual, which for me is a prerequisite. Both great cars though IMO

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by 24601

Keeping cost down on a standard 2er would be correct. Not on an M car. Maybe you're right, the things I care about are inclusive on M cars. This is just a more fancy M235i.

BTW, I'd pay more if they were an option. It should have at least been that.

No no no no. I understand what you're saying but your comment about it being a more fancy M235i is plain nuts, considering the car is practically a smaller M4 mechanically. This has been discussed a billion times. I understand what you're saying, but this is a driving machine. And for the components that relate to DRIVING, they are sourced from the (relative) pedestal, the M3/4. So this car is much closer to an M3/4 than the base 2 series. If just is. It's essentially a smaller, tinnnny bit lighter, M4 with a slightly less powerful, but better sounding engine.

It's not an M235i, it's an M2. A real M car, and if you look at what the car is made up of, that's not even a topic that can be debated.

Not to even mention that a vast majority of car media outlets have said that they prefer the M2 over it's larger brothers.

The M2 is a MAJOR win for BMW M.