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Naw. It's the size of the opening.
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08-20-2020, 02:29 AM | #25 |
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I moved from the OG to the CS , and i see a huge improvements - now from the comp - sure the difference will be less , but i still believe there will be a major difference in power , chassis , ofc looks - roof - bonnet - interior .. worth the money ? it depends what are you looking for Paul. Everyone can see why special and limited editions from BMW are so desirable , and they age like a fine wine - the older the better !
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"ridiculously good fun."
There's what actually matters during ownership.
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Wel, today I did a test-drive with this car;
IMHO it is all wrong to compare a M2CS vs a GT4, they are completely, I mean utterly completely different cars !! Like I told in my thread on buying my CS in Amsterdam these cars are complementary; And that is the only fair and logical conclusion. Some insights on the test-drive; 1 The 4.0 NA engine wants to rev, >4K RPM it is coming alive, and is running more smoothly than below 4K RPM 2 It revs very free, almost as if there's no internal resistance 3 The suspension is so good, incredible, just amazing. It feels not harsh, not bumpy, nothing whatsoever 4 Steering; just out of this world how this car reacts on steering input! Just goosebumps all over. It's so pure, so direct, like a razor's knife, a scalpel, like a go-kart, I'm in love so incredibly good. 5 Seating; very low and deep, the LWB hate a nice upright position, very good support on upper legs and upper body, it does suit the car perfectly 6 Brakes PCCB; just superb, a little squeaky, maybe due to a lot of test-drives, but very strong initial bite and firm pedal feel 7 MT; it has a very mechanical throw, short, direct, close, you have to be precise, otherwise you shift in the wrong gear. Because this engine is better on higher revs, combined with the long gearing, just 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear are enough, otherwise you will lose your driving license IMHO the coming PDK wil suit this engine better. This is really some car, this is what a sports car should be all about. The CS is far more a DD, the GT a weekend warrior, they should not be compared, they are a different breed, that's why I need them both |
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This is what I keep saying. It's a testament to the CS that it keeps getting lumped into this comparison, but it shouldn't be a comparison.
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08-23-2020, 07:36 AM | #29 |
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It is a testament to the CS, and the repeated BMW-Porsche comparison pairing is also a function of both not really having obvious direct competition.
But ultimately, GT4 vs. CS, GT3 vs. GTS, etc. are flawed comparisons. For one thing, the cars are very different in dynamic characteristics. You'd have both and not once think your garage is redundant. Neither obsoletes the other. As GT cars become increasingly refined and perfect, appeal of unruly, "ridiculously good fun" CS/GTS models becomes even greater imo.
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I don’t really think these cars do have much direct competition, but magazine have been making odd ball comparos for as long as I can remember. The CS makes a good choice for someone who needs a rear seat, but at the same time, why not an M3/4 CS? |
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Believe GT models are becoming more refined like most everything else. That's the majority take on 981 to 718, .2 to 992 will really tell the story. CS/GTS models go the opposite direction. they're the most unruly products M division has ever released to the U.S. Why M2 CS vs M3 or M4 CS, new, maybe more desirable (time will tell), less costly, slightly less weight, shorter wheelbase, sure it's a different driving experience. I have seat time in the base M2, never thought it felt like a base M4.
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Perfect garage, IMO.
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M cars are more livable day to day, but far more of a handful when pushed. Repeated comparisons imply it's a choice between two cars of the same mold, that's not the case. Obviously practicality dictates people make choices between different types of cars, but buyers/owners of either would be mistaken to think they're not missing out on what the other has to offer.
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I think this is a key point. The idea that one package or the other is encompassing all the same things somehow better than the other and you are making a choice between a better execution of the same ethos is a false one. This is not surf AND turf. Delicious meaty flavors packaged in one place. Sweet succulent seafood goodness in the other. Both wonderful flavorful executions of great petrolhead driving experiences, but neither is encompassing the full language and flavor of the other, nor necessarily "better" than the other for their uniqueness. Some may prefer the meaty flavors, some the sweet saltiness. Some may even have dietary restrictions that limit which they can choose.
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Chris Harris is a guy who test about evey car on the planet. What does he buy?
M2C No CS and no GT4. I have owned a GT3 porsche and test driven a GT4. The GT3 was a wish to own. But after a year driving on several tracks i was done with it. No everyday use and the car was sitting more and more in the garage. I was happy when i sold it. It’s the same story with a gt4. I would love a porsche but i don’t have the need to have one for the road. GT3 CUP OH YES. M2 CS is deeply overpriced. Tiff said it nicely. You pay for prestige. My dealer offerend me a great deal for a CS but i pass! Even with a big discount the car is overpriced. The CS is worth no more then 5000 above an M2C. |
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and you forgot one more important point- its a limited edition , and usually limited edition cars , are a lot more expensive just for that limited run and production!
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