Any M2C with the CS tune yet?

COChris · 10-11-2018, 02:13 PM

Plenty of power stock but... I'm already getting the itch!

Anyone have experience yet?

Curious to know how it affects drivability as well.

M-Pilot · 10-11-2018, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by COChris

Plenty of power stock but... I'm already getting the itch!

Anyone have experience yet?

Curious to know how it affects drivability as well.

I'll do it after my break-in service late November or early December but I have a feeling traction will be an issue with the narrow stock tires on the M2C (245 front 265 rear). I enjoyed my stock M4 Comp more after I replaced 285 rears with 295s. Even though it was a 10mm increase, it made a nice difference in terms of traction. Once my PSS are dead on the M2C, I will do the same and put 265/30/19 front and 295/30/19 rear PS4S tires to take better advantage of the CS tune

CosmosMpower · 10-12-2018, 03:28 PM

Will they void your warranty if you do a factory CS tune on a M2c?

M-Pilot · 10-12-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Will they void your warranty if you do a factory CS tune on a M2c?

I'm pretty sure they would if something goes wrong due to the tune.

hellrotm · 10-12-2018, 05:34 PM

Anyone considering Steve Dinan’s new CarbahnAutoworks flash tune? It matches the factory warranty.

Stage 1 - 491whp/502wtq

Kuervers · 10-12-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hellrotm

Anyone considering Steve Dinan’s new CarbahnAutoworks flash tune? It matches the factory warranty.

Stage 1 - 491whp/502wtq

I inquired about it, they haven't tested on the m2c yet they said. Pretty small premium for warranty that can be performed at the dealer. Mine is getting parked in two weeks so got some time to wait

FSociety · 10-13-2018, 12:38 PM

When I got my M3 ZCP, the CS map was the first flash i did

I highly recommend it as your first map as well!

AndrewC1989 · 10-13-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Will they void your warranty if you do a factory CS tune on a M2c?

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Originally Posted by cntzl

I'm pretty sure they would if something goes wrong due to the tune.

If you bring the car in with any flash on it and they hook it up to their diagnostic computer for any reason it will 100% flag your ECU as modified. This would void your drivetrain warranty, and yes, you could be in for a totally non-related problem like a faulty headlight and they would still flag your car.

If you just brought it in for an oil change or routine maintenance and it wasn't hooked up it would be fine, and if you flashed it back to stock before any warranty work you'd presumably also be fine...but it's still a risk regardless. There's no 100% guarantee that they wouldn't be able to detect that you've modified the DME. If you're not comfortable risking your warranty don't flash the car. Plain and simple.

Aapparition90 · 10-13-2018, 07:01 PM

I was thinking about this too.. m2c with cs map / cup2s is going to be insane.

CosmosMpower · 10-13-2018, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewc89

If you bring the car in with any flash on it and they hook it up to their diagnostic computer for any reason would it will 100% flag your ECU as modified. This would void your drivetrain warranty, and yes, you could be in for a totally non-related problem like a faulty headlight and they would still flag your car.

If you just brought it in for an oil change or routine maintenance and it wasn't hooked up it would be fine, and if you flashed it back to stock before any warranty work you'd presumably also be fine...but it's still a risk regardless. There's no 100% guarantee that they wouldn't be able to detect that you've modified the DME. If you're not comfortable risking your warranty don't flash the car. Plain and simple.

Only if your SA and tech are aholes. Now if you have a blown motor and file a claim they will probably check.

AndrewC1989 · 10-13-2018, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Only if your SA and tech are aholes. Now if you have a blown motor and file a claim they will probably check.

If you're chummy with your dealer/SA and they give you a wink and a nod that's great, but that isn't really a common or typical dealer experience for most people.

You asked if bmw would void your warranty if you do a factory CS tune on a M2c and the simple answer is yes, they would.

hellrotm · 10-14-2018, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewc89

If you bring the car in with any flash on it and they hook it up to their diagnostic computer for any reason it will 100% flag your ECU as modified. This would void your drivetrain warranty, and yes, you could be in for a totally non-related problem like a faulty headlight and they would still flag your car.

If you just brought it in for an oil change or routine maintenance and it wasn't hooked up it would be fine, and if you flashed it back to stock before any warranty work you'd presumably also be fine...but it's still a risk regardless. There's no 100% guarantee that they wouldn't be able to detect that you've modified the DME. If you're not comfortable risking your warranty don't flash the car. Plain and simple.

Some bootmod3 features that make detection more difficult.

- Revert back to Stock and locked. No chance of tamper code showing once flashed back.
- No flash counter limitations - our dev cars have been flashed well over 1000 times. This has always been a BM3 feature.
- Flash date freeze - unique BM3-first feature, no other tool supports today. Flash date never changes when flashing with BM3.
- Flash counter freezes after OBD unlock

But if BMW wants to dig hard enough they can find anything. It would just take a lot more effort.

Looks like Steve Dinan will have a stage 1 flash with factory matching warranty. For individuals that want too worry less and not deal with removing tune for service.

AndrewC1989 · 10-14-2018, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hellrotm

Looks like Steve Dinan will have a stage 1 flash with factory matching warranty. For individuals that want too worry less and not deal with removing tune for service.

Is it a flash or a piggyback?

I haven't heard of them breaking encryption on the F series and everything listed on their website currently is very JB4-esque

If they were to come out with a stage 1/2 flash I'd be VERY interested but this piggyback shit is a no go for me.

Kuervers · 10-14-2018, 08:34 AM

Flash with warranty. Carbahn is the new company

AndrewC1989 · 10-14-2018, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuervers

Flash with warranty. Carbahn is the new company

Got any related links? I googled it and came up empty. Their website doesn't mention anything either.

hellrotm · 10-14-2018, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteM2

It is actually not that much effort to know if the DME has been flashed etc. One guy on here used the "relock" feature, took his car in to his mate at a dealer and it still flagged up a tamper DME.

Using Bootmod3? Have a link, not doubting...just want to read owner experience.

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Originally Posted by andrewc89

Got any related links? I googled it and came up empty. Their website doesn't mention anything either.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1537265

https://carbahnautoworks.com/product...e-f80-f82-f83/

550 HP/562 TQ (with factory matching warranty)

nomoracin · 10-14-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hellrotm

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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteM2

It is actually not that much effort to know if the DME has been flashed etc. One guy on here used the "relock" feature, took his car in to his mate at a dealer and it still flagged up a tamper DME.

Using Bootmod3? Have a link, not doubting...just want to read owner experience.

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Originally Posted by andrewc89

Got any related links? I googled it and came up empty. Their website doesn't mention anything either.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1537265

https://carbahnautoworks.com/product...e-f80-f82-f83/

550 HP/562 TQ (with factory matching warranty)

Very tempting! Haha

FSU_Logan · 10-14-2018, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewc89

If you bring the car in with any flash on it and they hook it up to their diagnostic computer for any reason it will 100% flag your ECU as modified. This would void your drivetrain warranty, and yes, you could be in for a totally non-related problem like a faulty headlight and they would still flag your car.

If you just brought it in for an oil change or routine maintenance and it wasn't hooked up it would be fine, and if you flashed it back to stock before any warranty work you'd presumably also be fine...but it's still a risk regardless. There's no 100% guarantee that they wouldn't be able to detect that you've modified the DME. If you're not comfortable risking your warranty don't flash the car. Plain and simple.

Magnusson-Moss law has US owners covers. This is not true for US residents.

Karmic Man · 10-14-2018, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuervers

Flash with warranty. Carbahn is the new company

I am not comfortable with their version of 'warranty' as they will only step up if you can prove that it's their tune that cause the drivetrain issue. Otherwise you are caught between a rock and a hard stone when both of them deny responsibility.

AndrewC1989 · 10-14-2018, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FSU_Logan

Magnusson-Moss law has US owners covers. This is not true for US residents.

I'm no expert but based on everything I've read over the years and based on testimonials of others here, my understanding is that if you tune the car they flag it. If you then bring the car in for a related warranty repair they can deny the claim if they prove it was related. If I'm wrong then please fill me in.

chris719 · 10-15-2018, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FSU_Logan

Magnusson-Moss law has US owners covers. This is not true for US residents.

Doesn't absolve you of responsibility for any kind of powertrain failure which they could easily blame the tune for and win in court if they had to. Cupholders, iDrive, sure.

FSU_Logan · 10-15-2018, 06:04 AM

Yes, all they could "flag" is drivetrain and if you really wanted, you could lawyer up and have them prove the tune was at fault... its typically a losing battle though, because of the obvious lawyer fees

All warranty work I've ever gotten on my cars (including a new motor and trans..) was after I severely modified them. I am straight up with my service advisors, though. I'll do the same with this car. Push comes to shove, building the motor is an option

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