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      05-04-2017, 10:07 AM   #485
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It's going to look like this... Well I hope, but I won't hold my breath for M Mirrors, nor GTS hood... But who knows, I could be wrong and BMW may get things right this time!
Wasn't there supposed to be a CSL style hole in front bumper? Scott posted an image about that from what I remember.
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      05-04-2017, 02:29 PM   #486
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Thanks for the responses, I've been keeping tabs on a CS version but didn't know what LCI stood for/meant. Cheers!
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This guy again

There's no concrete information from any reliable source that an M2 GTS will even be built but yet you keep making statements like these above You may want to re-evaluate your sources friend.
Yes I have not heard anything regarding a GTS. All creativity is currently on the CS.
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Scott26 - are you able to say whether the M2 CS will be available in manual? Or is it destined for the same set-up as the M4 CS?
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      05-04-2017, 07:09 PM   #489
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Scott26 - Also, what is the approximate percentage increase in price of a M2 CS over the M2 base? 20%, 40%?
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      05-05-2017, 12:37 AM   #490
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Wasn't there supposed to be a CSL style hole in front bumper? Scott posted an image about that from what I remember.
Based on how the M4 CS differs only slightly from the M4 cosmetically wise, I doubt that the M2 CS will have such a bespoke bumper...
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Scott26 - are you able to say whether the M2 CS will be available in manual? Or is it destined for the same set-up as the M4 CS?
I have been told that manual could be reality for the CS, by a person fairly close to this and similar matter. Manual is what will make me get one this time around, glad I didn't push for the GTS after all....

This could be very exciting from an enthusiast point of view, the opposite of the direction they are going with the M5.
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      05-05-2017, 09:41 AM   #492
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I have been told that manual could be reality for the CS, by a person fairly close to this and similar matter. Manual is what will make me get one this time around, glad I didn't push for the GTS after all....

This could be very exciting from an enthusiast point of view, the opposite of the direction they are going with the M5.
ynguldyn just confirmed that all 40 production spec M2 CS variants that have been built for testing are all DCT only. There is not a single manual car that is currently being tested. Based on that, it does not look like the M2 CS will get a manual transmission.

How close is your source to the M2 CS ??
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Looks like all the press cars for the 991.2 GT3 are PDK only even though one of the biggest changes was the manual transmission. Maybe all the M2 CS press release cars will be DCT to ensure the best possible magazine lap times.
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Looks like all the press cars for the 991.2 GT3 are PDK only even though one of the biggest changes was the manual transmission. Maybe all the M2 CS press release cars will be DCT to ensure the best possible magazine lap times.
No 991.2 GT3 manual transmission available till Autumn 2017. PDK version already available this Summer.

During the M2 pre-release first test drive of February 2016 all M2 cars made available by BMW to journalists to lap at Laguna Seca (California) were M-DCT + featured M Performance brake pads. Journalists only got their hands on M2 6MT for test drives on the public roads afterwards (Pacific Coast Highway).
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      05-08-2017, 04:57 PM   #495
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BMW needs to take a look at this. I want a rear seat, but this would be tempting. I need more CS news.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/05/08/60...-stand-in-csl/

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But how much will the M2 CS cost? $80 - $90K? That would be a bit higher than the TTRS which is $65K base. Both would have 400 hp.
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But how much will the M2 CS cost? $80 - $90K? That would be a bit higher than the TTRS which is $65K base. Both would have 400 hp.
I doubt it would be that high. The cars will be priced to market or it will not sell here. I'm guessing TTRS money starting at $65k base which is a tad below the M4 MSRP.
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But how much will the M2 CS cost? $80 - $90K? That would be a bit higher than the TTRS which is $65K base. Both would have 400 hp.
80K USD could be a little too high. That's porsche GT4 money. I really wish the car is made in such a way that the 80K price can be justified but based on everything we've seen so far, it would not appear so.

Even the base M4 has CF roof, nicer looking hood, much better interior, more space, more HP, more torque, better aesthetics (subjective) etc. Even if BMW puts a lower rated S55 in the M2 CS, I find it super hard to understand how they could justify 80K USD because the M4 already has the same engine with a higher output.

If they made the car closer to the CSL/GTS, then 80K - 90K should be a bargain.

I really thought we'd be seeing a lot more test mules (Hopefully with more camo) by this time but it would appear as if most of the testing has already been completed.

No news on Ze German 2er talk either.
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Looks like all the press cars for the 991.2 GT3 are PDK only even though one of the biggest changes was the manual transmission. Maybe all the M2 CS press release cars will be DCT to ensure the best possible magazine lap times.
Manual GT3 track review

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...-drive-review/

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...l-review/36190

Manual GT3 is especially on a track

I am hoping we will all see an M2 variant with a manual S55
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BMW needs to take a look at this. I want a rear seat, but this would be tempting. I need more CS news.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/05/08/60...-stand-in-csl/

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Manual GT3 track review

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...-drive-review/

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...l-review/36190

Manual GT3 is especially on a track

I am hoping we will all see an M2 variant with a manual S55
. The manual-transmission GT3 is utterly brilliant on the track. You’d have to be the most fun-hating stereotype of a lemon-faced accountant to even consider the PDK over the six-speed. The GT3, much like Frampton, comes alive when that glorious H pattern is stuck in your fist. Because racetrack, you’ve always got the motor on full boil hurtling past 8,000 rpm.

nice....


There is actually a physical difference between the two cars, other than the gearboxes. Because the PDK car already has a bunch of hydraulic plumbing built in, Preuninger’s team opted to go with an electro-hydraulic locking rear differential. The manual version has no hydraulic veins, so its rear end sports a mechanical locker. Call me a Luddite, but holy damn did I prefer everything about the manual on track. Perhaps it’s because the mechanical diff locks up more slowly than the electric one, but it actually felt more rear-engined—more like a 911—than the PDK car, which feels more mid-engine and a bit more stable yet sterile.

Holy hell.. Not only a manual gearbox.. but a mechanical Diff as well... Bravo Porsche!

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80K USD could be a little too high. That's porsche GT4 money. I really wish the car is made in such a way that the 80K price can be justified but based on everything we've seen so far, it would not appear so.

Even the base M4 has CF roof, nicer looking hood, much better interior, more space, more HP, more torque, better aesthetics (subjective) etc. Even if BMW puts a lower rated S55 in the M2 CS, I find it super hard to understand how they could justify 80K USD because the M4 already has the same engine with a higher output.

If they made the car closer to the CSL/GTS, then 80K - 90K should be a bargain.

I really thought we'd be seeing a lot more test mules (Hopefully with more camo) by this time but it would appear as if most of the testing has already been completed.

No news on Ze German 2er talk either.
The base M2 is already faster than the M4 on many technical tracks. I guess the M2 CS will be quite a lot faster than the M4 on even the fastest tracks. This, together with a limited production, is what people are paying (too) much money for. Not fancy interiors and things like that. The fancy interior is available also in a normal 320i and doesn't cost much.
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$59,500 base is my optimistic guess if it came in manual.
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80K USD could be a little too high. That's porsche GT4 money. I really wish the car is made in such a way that the 80K price can be justified but based on everything we've seen so far, it would not appear so.

Even the base M4 has CF roof, nicer looking hood, much better interior, more space, more HP, more torque, better aesthetics (subjective) etc. Even if BMW puts a lower rated S55 in the M2 CS, I find it super hard to understand how they could justify 80K USD because the M4 already has the same engine with a higher output.

If they made the car closer to the CSL/GTS, then 80K - 90K should be a bargain.

I really thought we'd be seeing a lot more test mules (Hopefully with more camo) by this time but it would appear as if most of the testing has already been completed.

No news on Ze German 2er talk either.
Good points. If it ends up in that ~$80k USD range I hope it has a bit more to it than the M4CS has. I agree, at the end of the day I'm not sure people will want to pay M4 money for an M2 if it's not vastly different than the base car. If it's only the S55, revised splitter and diffuser I really hope it's much better than $80k USD.

I was also thinking that we'd see more mules by now. Maybe they're holding their cards close and the full kit is just not fitted to the mules we've seen? (thinking back to 1M mules that were basically a 135 with some fender flares stuck on it?...although that's not very different from how the car actually ended up).

Anyone think Frankfurt Motor Show will be the announcement? September 14-24, 2017. If it's supposed to be a fall 2017 reveal, are there other shows where it could be announced?

Pricing and spec should give some clues if there is room for a GTS as well.
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Good points. If it ends up in that ~$80k USD range I hope it has a bit more to it than the M4CS has. I agree, at the end of the day I'm not sure people will want to pay M4 money for an M2 if it's not vastly different than the base car. If it's only the S55, revised splitter and diffuser I really hope it's much better than $80k USD.

I was also thinking that we'd see more mules by now. Maybe they're holding their cards close and the full kit is just not fitted to the mules we've seen? (thinking back to 1M mules that were basically a 135 with some fender flares stuck on it?...although that's not very different from how the car actually ended up).

Anyone think Frankfurt Motor Show will be the announcement? September 14-24, 2017. If it's supposed to be a fall 2017 reveal, are there other shows where it could be announced?

Pricing and spec should give some clues if there is room for a GTS as well.
Yeah. Even the M4 CS was basically exactly what we saw in the spy shots. Even some of the stuff that was seen on the test mules became optional on the M4 CS like the CCB. I really don't think that the M2 CS will be any different.

The Camo on the M2 CS is almost identical to the M2 LCI. The car we saw with the larger wheels and brakes could have been the GTS or maybe something that BMW just wanted to test.

If the testing on the M2 CS is already complete, we could see it unveiled late fall maybe. That's kind of the same time line between the last sighting of the M4 CS test mules, ad leak from California and the official unveil.

SCOTT26, ynguldyn and Dackelone : Any updates or new information ??
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The M4 CS does not arrive on the market until the last quarter of 2017.
I do not expect the next CS to be launched until the introduction of the M4 CS to the market. Breathing and establishing space is important and BMW will be having maximum focus on the M4 CS.
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