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      10-14-2020, 04:18 PM   #1
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I know this topic has been discussed before but I figured I'd ask given my circumstances and see if there are any novel opinions/ideas.

I'll preface this by saying any decision would come at the end of this year/beginning of next year to see how the COVID situation develops.

I currently finance a 2017 DCT M2 with 1 year left to pay it off. I live in a commuting city as of 2 years ago and only drive on the weekends. Before this I used to drive into NYC for work and why I went with the DCT option 4 years ago. I've had the itch to get back into a 6 spd and after seeing the reveal of the new M3/M4 I'm wondering if now is the time to jump into a new M2C and if I like the new 2022 M2, I'd be able to switch into the updated LCI model. If not, I'd happily keep the M2C for at least 5 years.
The only con other than cost is that this is the only car for my wife and I. She does not drive manual but is eager and willing to learn but I'm unsure if that is a recipe for disaster in a new car. There will be no baby on the way for at least 3 years and even then, I'd be able to lease or finance a larger car if need be. I expect the monthly payments to be fairly similar after a trade in/money down but I would essentially be paying for minor upgrades in performance and mostly for the 6 spd, a newer model, and the potential safety net of the new 2022 M2 not being what I hope for. I also want to note that I do not track the car.

Curious to see what the community has to say

TLDR: I want to go from a DCT M2 to a new 6 spd M2C. Wife does not drive manual but would like to learn. Car is only driven on the weekends. Afraid of what the 2022 M2 will look like given the current 2 series and new M3/M4.
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It really matters what you are using your M2 for. As a daily driver there is very little performance gain by going to an M2C. The M2C is a better track car. You didn’t mention that you are doing track days. If not, there is no reason to take the financial hit to get an M2C. Also given that it is only a weekend car I assume your mileage is very low.

Spend some money on mods and call it quits.
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The only reason I'd do it is for the 6MT. Everything else on the M2C, I do not prefer over the OG.
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The only reason I'd do it is for the 6MT. Everything else on the M2C, I do not prefer over the OG.
With his wife not driving a manual, I don’t know if it is a good idea to get a manual. My wife is a timid driver and I could not get her comfortable driving my E46 M3. This time I bought a DCT and she will drive it.
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I drive my SO everywhere. She will not drive my car. It is our only car.

But also, the M2C is seriously easy to drive with a stick, if your girlfriend is willing to learn, i'm sure she'll do just fine. Auto rev-match, hill start and anti-stall make this thing a breeze. Plus, while some people complain and install short-shift kits, the shifter its self errs on the side of "easy" rather than "challenging with lots of feel/effort." You can literally hang out on a hill in 1st gear and then slowly let out the clutch with no gas, and the car will happily pull away without any problems.

As for what you should do, I don't think i'm a reliable source. I bought the car SPECIFICALLY because its a manual at a time when there aren't many manual options.

I believe used values for this car will entirely depend on how the G-series M2 looks and if BMW bothers to give it the S58 (which seems very likely.) If BMW messes up the styling of the G-series M2, expect the M2c to hold its value extremely well. But all signs point to the next M2 as being at least decent looking, so the M2c probably won't end up being THAT special in the long run.
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Keep it. At least until you pay it off.

That way you if you do trade it in you don't have to bother with the balance of your loan.
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I drive my SO everywhere. She will not drive my car. It is our only car.

But also, the M2C is seriously easy to drive with a stick, if your girlfriend is willing to learn, i'm sure she'll do just fine. Auto rev-match, hill start and anti-stall make this thing a breeze. Plus, while some people complain and install short-shift kits, the shifter its self errs on the side of "easy" rather than "challenging with lots of feel/effort." You can literally hang out on a hill in 1st gear and then slowly let out the clutch with no gas, and the car will happily pull away without any problems.

As for what you should do, I don't think i'm a reliable source. I bought the car SPECIFICALLY because its a manual at a time when there aren't many manual options.

I believe used values for this car will entirely depend on how the G-series M2 looks and if BMW bothers to give it the S58 (which seems very likely.) If BMW messes up the styling of the G-series M2, expect the M2c to hold its value extremely well. But all signs point to the next M2 as being at least decent looking, so the M2c probably won't end up being THAT special in the long run.
The ease of this transmission in a manual plus my wife's openness to learn makes me think she'd be able to get the hang of it and get by. I usually do 95% of the driving but was afraid of her learning on this car would be wise.
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With his wife not driving a manual, I don’t know if it is a good idea to get a manual. My wife is a timid driver and I could not get her comfortable driving my E46 M3. This time I bought a DCT and she will drive it.
My wife doesn't drive a manual either. I got the MT M2C.
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M2C is pretty easy manual to drive. First gear will automatically give gas if it starts to stall. It also rev matches on down shifts. In economy mode it's pretty forgiving. Once she gets over initial hesitation of something new and strange she’ll have a blast driving it.

I don’t know that I’d make the change just for the engine. As others have said they are both fast and powerful so it doesn’t seem worth it for a weekend cruiser.

Cosmetically there are obviously differences. The seats look different. I prefer the look of the M2C seats but that’s personal preference. The mirrors are cooler, again personal preference but not much disagreement there. The brakes are bigger and different color. Who really cares about the size on the street, does the color change really make any difference? The wheels are different, completely up in the air which you prefer.

If your heart wants the M2C then it’s an easy choice. If you’re trying to be rational about it then it’s a harder sell. If I were making the change from M2 to M2C I would try to make it as different as possible to ensure it feels new and special. Different exterior color, maybe the orange interior, manual as you state, add some carbon bits and bobbles you didn’t have on the M2 etc.

End of the day they are both excellent cars and you’ll be happy in either. Do what makes sense for you!

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I’d keep the OG, wait a couple of years and get the G87 instead.
I don’t think the G87 is going to be as horrible looking as the G80.
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These cars are not financially smart decisions. They pull at you emotionally, so only you can decide if switching to MT is worth the financial loss.

I used to have an MT M3 that I gave up for an automatic car because I thought I was tired of driving stick in traffic. Turns out I was so bored by the automatic I sold that car after a year and bought an MT M2C. I’m by no means the best or fastest shifter, but I deeply enjoy the driver engagement that an MT provides and it was worth it to me.

Similarly, a few years ago I taught my wife how to drive stick on the F30 3 series. The manual is similar and is so forgiving that she learned it easily and loved it. It helps that your wife is motivated to learn. I doubt she will have trouble learning, and when she does I bet she will love it too. Plus, you will not have many opportunities to teach her in the future as MTs die out, so there’s that.
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These cars are not financially smart decisions.
100% agreed. I knew this car would cost me, and it was bordering on irresponsibility to throw 10k or more away to depreciation after a couple years (I have always bought CPO until now), but frankly didn't care after driving my buddies 2018 M2. I get one life, and this is totally worth it.
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I love my 2017 (26,000 miles) and have no desire to upgrade, but my dealer keeps sending me monthly emails with 'you may be able to upgrade to a 2021 BMW M2 Competition Coupe for $31,649 cash plus title and license fees'.
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I love my 2017 (26,000 miles) and have no desire to upgrade, but my dealer keeps sending me monthly emails with 'you may be able to upgrade to a 2021 BMW M2 Competition Coupe for $31,649 cash plus title and license fees'.
I get those all the time as well. Maybe subconsciously they've had an effect on me...
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do you also have a 997.1 and e92? manuals?
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do you also have a 997.1 and e92? manuals?
Updated my sig. I always thought it was suppose to be a list of past cars, not your current garage lol
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The only reason I'd do it is for the 6MT. Everything else on the M2C, I do not prefer over the OG.
With his wife not driving a manual, I don’t know if it is a good idea to get a manual. My wife is a timid driver and I could not get her comfortable driving my E46 M3. This time I bought a DCT and she will drive it.
This is actually the EXACT reason you get the manual. She wont ever touch his car
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Does it make financial sense? No, but buying a m2 in the first place didn't either.

There probably isn't an easier MT car to learn on than a modern BMW.
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I know this topic has been discussed before but I figured I'd ask given my circumstances and see if there are any novel opinions/ideas.

I'll preface this by saying any decision would come at the end of this year/beginning of next year to see how the COVID situation develops.

I currently finance a 2017 DCT M2 with 1 year left to pay it off. I live in a commuting city as of 2 years ago and only drive on the weekends. Before this I used to drive into NYC for work and why I went with the DCT option 4 years ago. I've had the itch to get back into a 6 spd and after seeing the reveal of the new M3/M4 I'm wondering if now is the time to jump into a new M2C and if I like the new 2022 M2, I'd be able to switch into the updated LCI model. If not, I'd happily keep the M2C for at least 5 years.
The only con other than cost is that this is the only car for my wife and I. She does not drive manual but is eager and willing to learn but I'm unsure if that is a recipe for disaster in a new car. There will be no baby on the way for at least 3 years and even then, I'd be able to lease or finance a larger car if need be. I expect the monthly payments to be fairly similar after a trade in/money down but I would essentially be paying for minor upgrades in performance and mostly for the 6 spd, a newer model, and the potential safety net of the new 2022 M2 not being what I hope for. I also want to note that I do not track the car.

Curious to see what the community has to say

TLDR: I want to go from a DCT M2 to a new 6 spd M2C. Wife does not drive manual but would like to learn. Car is only driven on the weekends. Afraid of what the 2022 M2 will look like given the current 2 series and new M3/M4.
Might as well let your wife pick out the car if you are not going to use an M2 properly

Joking, only joking. The 6MT on these cars is very friendly imo. Fairly smooth, hill assist is nice, with throttle control a good platform to learn on. If not comfortable with that then can probably find a cheap older civic or something similar to start with. When that has served it's purpose then can likely recoup most if not all of what you put into it.
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Might as well let your wife pick out the car if you are not going to use an M2 properly

Joking, only joking. The 6MT on these cars is very friendly imo. Fairly smooth, hill assist is nice, with throttle control a good platform to learn on. If not comfortable with that then can probably find a cheap older civic or something similar to start with. When that has served it's purpose then can likely recoup most if not all of what you put into it.
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Might as well let your wife pick out the car if you are not going to use an M2 properly

Joking, only joking. The 6MT on these cars is very friendly imo. Fairly smooth, hill assist is nice, with throttle control a good platform to learn on. If not comfortable with that then can probably find a cheap older civic or something similar to start with. When that has served it's purpose then can likely recoup most if not all of what you put into it.
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This is actually the EXACT reason you get the manual. She wont ever touch his car
She was timid at first but now she sees it as just "a car" to drive. The issue is I have the DCT tune which makes auto drive in comfort all the time so she'll occasionally joke that it's like any other car, speed wise when she drives...
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Updated my sig. I always thought it was suppose to be a list of past cars, not your current garage lol
oh it all makes sense now, coz I was like if you those other 2 rides in manual....

and fwiw I got a manual M2C, my wife can't drive manual and it's our only car, she hasn't learned yet.
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