[arciga18]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Dream on... At another 10k to that for good measure..

I agree with you.

I was just going along

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by liontomic

A sales just contacted me saying they're $15000 over the m2 competition (US). Doesn't sound like it's real but will be great if it is

Yeah, that's in line with what my sales guy is telling me.....under $80k Base!

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by ///M2NYC15

So it is about 170lbs lighter so roughly 60KG than the competition.
This is pretty serious when you add another 40BHP to the mix.

Let's just hope the price is not outrageous.

Originally Posted by ///M2NYC15

Curb weight of the M2C is 3,600. If the rumors are true of the M2CS without CCB of it being 3410, then you are talking about better overall performance with the power bump.

1550kg is DIN weight. DIN does not include 75kg ballast for driver/cargo, EU curb weight does. AutoBild 1532kg is also without ballast.

The 3600lbs you are quoting is US curb weight, includes ballast for driver/cargo. So you are doing math with a car without driver and one with driver+.

According to BMW, M2 Comp and CS have the same exact weight figures:
M2 Comp(spec sheet pdf) - https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...on?language=en
M2 CS(sped sheet pdf) - https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...cs?language=en

M2 Comp (manual) - DIN/EU Curb 1550/1625
M2 CS (manual) - DIN/EU Curb 1550/1625

Originally Posted by Artemis

• output: 456hp metric | 450hp mech (official: 450hp metric | 444hp mech)
• torque: 549Nm | 405 ft-lb (official: 550Nm | 406 ft-lb)
• transmission: 6-Speed manual (6MT)
• tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
• 0-100 km/h: 4.3s (official: 4.2s for 6MT | 4.0s for M-DCT)
• 0-200 km/h: 13.6s
• Lap time Sachsenring (Germany) (18°C & dry): 1:34.98 (M2 Competition: 1:35.67) (see also here)
• weight (6MT + M-CCB): 1532 kg (official: 1550 kg for 6MT + standard M Sport Brakes)
• exhaust: especially developed for the M2 CS

[dmboone25]

With all the CF and the lighter wheels, how can the CS weigh the same as the Comp ?

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by ///M2NYC15

Then in that case, I would be out

But we will see what happens in less than two weeks.

Do we know pricing is going to be announced in LA?

When the RS6 was announced and previewed we still did not know pricing and cost of options.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

With all the CF and the lighter wheels, how can the CS weigh the same as the Comp ?

It doesn't according to Sport Auto. BMW for some reason has the same weights listed for both cars.

Sport Auto(w/ full tanks): M2C dct - 1631kg, M2CS dct - 1588kg w/CCB
43kg difference or 94lbs with CCB.

Did some CCB weight analysis here($8k CCB are responsible for about 52lbs of 94lbs):
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=577

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by Tornado1M

Yeah, that's in line with what my sales guy is telling me.....under $80k Base!

Tornado where are you located? Good news if true.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Tornado where are you located? Good news if true.

Also there really aren't many options to add. Most notably the CCB and the sport cup tires

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Tornado where are you located? Good news if true.

Agreed, great news if true but I would be shocked if that turned out to be the case.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agreed, great news if true but I would be shocked if that turned out to be the case.

My SA expected $77k US. That seems optimistic now, and would be a hell of a bargain.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by DieGrüneHölle

1550kg is DIN weight. DIN does not include 75kg ballast for driver/cargo, EU curb weight does. AutoBild 1532kg is also without ballast.
The 3600lbs you are quoting is US curb weight, includes ballast for driver/cargo. So you are doing math with a car without driver and one with driver+.
According to BMW, M2 Comp and CS have the same exact weight figures:
M2 Comp(spec sheet pdf) - https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...on?language=en
M2 CS(sped sheet pdf) - https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...cs?language=en
M2 Comp (manual) - DIN/EU Curb 1550/1625
M2 CS (manual) - DIN/EU Curb 1550/1625

See here:

Originally Posted by Artemis

About car weight in general: see this dedicated thread here ("US Curb and EU Kerb weights, an attempt at clarifying the differences").

What the papers said for F87 6MT and M-DCT:

BMW M2 (N55 engine) (official specs sheet 2016: see here):


BMW M2 Competition (S55 engine) (official specs sheet 2018: see here):


BMW M2 CS (S55 engine) (official specs sheet 2019: see here):

[Poochie]

I would pay 85k for a M2 CS, I know to the laymans it sounds like a rip-off, especially now that you can get a M2C at healthy discount but in the long run, the added exclusive features and pleasing visuals are generally rewarded with a bump in residual value over its base-model counterparts, so it wouldn't be a loss, might even be a gain. And one thing is for sure, you'll never have a problem finding a potential buyer..

Some eye candy:

[BishUK]

Originally Posted by Throttleblip

I've read from the BMW bulletin and the OP post that the black wheel option si high gloss but the Jet Back Performance wheels are matte finish. Can someone confirm if the black wheel option is matte or high gloss? Here is a pic of the black me performance wheels with the matte description. I hope they are not high gloss.

Looking at the pics of the official BMW USA release brochure then they are def gloss black

[Artemis]

Hunger is the fuel of greed: 'coin flippers' aboard...

M2 CS base price Germany: €95K (source: here):

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I would pay 85k for a M2 CS, I know to the laymans it sounds like a rip-off, especially now that you can get a M2C at healthy discount but in the long run, the added exclusive features and pleasing visuals are generally rewarded with a bump in residual value over its base-model counterparts, so it wouldn't be a loss, might even be a gain. And one thing is for sure, you'll never have a problem finding a potential buyer..

Some eye candy:

Attachment 2176285

I agree 100%. In the end there will always be naysayers, but in the end what counts is what you think that value is. And in my mind, this is one special edition regardless of how you cut it.

Fingers crossed for an allocation 🤞

[Throttleblip]

Originally Posted by BishUK

Looking at the pics of the official BMW USA release brochure then they are def gloss black

Thanks! Where can I see that brochure ?

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Hunger is the fuel of greed: 'coin flippers' aboard...

M2 CS base price Germany: €95K (source: here):
Attachment 2176289

You crack me up 🤣

I hope I meet you some day 🙏

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Tornado where are you located? Good news if true.

I'm in Northern Virginia near Washington DC

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

My SA expected $77k US. That seems optimistic now, and would be a hell of a bargain.

Agreed! No brainer under $80k USD

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

don't get me wrong- i really like it, but its a tune, cosmetics package, and marginal weight reduction (probably about 150lbs max).

Not true. People said same thing about the M3 CS. Ask anyone who has driven both the F80 Comp and CS. The difference in driving dynamics is significant. I'm sorry, but a "tune and cosmetics" does not equal a BMW factory engineered CS. Regardless of the numeral put before

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Not true. People said same thing about the M3 CS. Ask anyone who has driven both the F80 Comp and CS. The difference in driving dynamics is significant. I'm sorry, but a "tune and cosmetics" does not equal a BMW factory engineered CS. Regardless of the numeral put before

Ok, what is different besides what is listed?

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by Artemis

It appears that the German car magazine Auto Bild (issue 12/2019) features an M2 CS test.

Results (source: 2erTalk forum):

• output: 456hp metric | 450hp mech (official: 450hp metric | 444hp mech)
• torque: 549Nm | 405 ft-lb (official: 550Nm | 406 ft-lb)
• transmission: 6-Speed manual (6MT)
• tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
• 0-100 km/h: 4.3s (official: 4.2s for 6MT | 4.0s for M-DCT)
• 0-200 km/h: 13.6s
• Lap time Sachsenring (Germany) (18°C & dry): 1:34.98 (M2 Competition: 1:35.67) (see also here)
• weight (6MT + M-CCB): 1532 kg (official: 1550 kg for 6MT + standard M Sport Brakes)
• exhaust: especially developed for the M2 CS

From their test:
0-100kph 4.3s
0-200kph 13.6s

That means 100-200kph 9.3s, kinda disappointing, because it's slower than a ZCP and is closer to the M4 base. Not acceptable for a 450ps S55 in the M2CS package. Or it's just the slow shifting MT to blame. I really dislike people using MT car for the instrument test.

BTW, M4 CS sees mid to high 8s all the time.

I thought BMW tuning strategy for the M2CS would be similar to M4 CS, which is a considerably stronger middle range and same top end than the 450ps M4C.

An strong middle range grunt makes for a good CS recipe.