[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

My initial reaction to the adaptive suspension is that it adds weight, knowing the stock static damper is noticeably lighter than the MP coilover (made of aluminum).

However, BMW stated for M3/4 the adaptive suspension (aluminum) actually saves weight, for the marketing material. Though we know BMW document makes mistakes all the time. Most ridiculous and recent ones being the M2 N55 having a closed deck, and 1M has a "high performance V8" says its user manual.

Now that they show the CS with the same weight as competition despite of new hood/roof/console/wheel, which combined is a 50lbs hard saving, period. All make me believe the adaptive suspension really adds all the weight back.

I am a bit confused by the spec sheet weights as well(being identical to M2 Comp). Sport Auto showed a 94lbs difference to the Comp(CS spec w/ CCB). CCB rotors save about 52lbs, so most M2CS without the $8k CCB will come in around 40ish lbs less than a Comp. 763m is probably half that 40lbs. The remaining savings(20ish lbs) from the carbon parts.

[Flash2k7]

Dealer told me they got their first communication in the USA this afternoon and that BMWUSA says first cars won't be delivered until September 2020 and that pricing will be revealed "soon".

They're hoping the deliveries will be sooner, but that's a bummer since original dates were hinted at earlier on the year.

Going to be a long wait...

[arciga18]

Originally Posted by Flash2k7

Dealer told me they got their first communication in the USA this afternoon and that BMWUSA says first cars won't be delivered until September 2020 and that pricing will be revealed "soon".

They're hoping the deliveries will be sooner, but that's a bummer since original dates were hinted at earlier on the year.

Going to be a long wait...

That time line actually works great for me.

But then you deal with snows almost immediately afterwards.

[RyanBMW]

Originally Posted by Flash2k7

Dealer told me they got their first communication in the USA this afternoon and that BMWUSA says first cars won't be delivered until September 2020 and that pricing will be revealed "soon".

They're hoping the deliveries will be sooner, but that's a bummer since original dates were hinted at earlier on the year.

Going to be a long wait...

That doesn't sound right, BMW won't release a MY2020 in September of 2020, so it either will be a MY2021, or delivery will be around April of 2020, your dealer doesn't know what they're talking about. Allocation always come late January and SOP will be around March, and delivery will be around April 2020 for MY2020.

[s4awd]

Can someone explain to me why you would pick this over an M3/4 comp? I get that it's nimbler but is that it?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Can someone explain to me why you would pick this over an M3/4 comp?

Its compact size.. The end..

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RyanBMW

Allocation always come late January and SOP will be around March, and delivery will be around April 2020 for MY2020.

M2 CS SOP & EOP:

• Europe: 03/2020 - 09/2020
• worldwide: 03/2020 - 12/2020

First deliveries in Europe are expected to start in Spring 2020.

[MR_M2]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Can someone explain to me why you would pick this over an M3/4 comp? I get that it's nimbler but is that it?

Bmw milking the hype machine. This car is literally a M4 now minus the crfp hood and the m4 could be had in this spec since 2014.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Can someone explain to me why you would pick this over an M3/4 comp? I get that it's nimbler but is that it?

A late yet strong contender for the ridiculous post of the year.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The same reason they've always done it ever since the CSL?!?! <shrug> It doesn't make sense to me either.

Probably different vendors for each. Maybe BMW / SGL actually make the roof.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Can someone explain to me why you would pick this over an M3/4 comp? I get that it's nimbler but is that it?

Compared to a ZCP M4 on paper? Yes.

The reality is they drive differently. I've driven a regular M2 on track and ZCP M3 and M4, and if track is all you are concerned about, get the M3 or M4.

There is a different feel to cars because of the wheelbase and firmware tuning. I think the M2 and M2C are more fun on the street where you have limits.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Can someone explain to me why you would pick this over an M3/4 comp? I get that it's nimbler but is that it?

You tell me...

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by chris719

Probably different vendors for each. Maybe BMW / SGL actually make the roof.

Possibly, but if they can make every CF component of the CSL match, they can do it with their other vehicles as well.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Possibly, but if they can make every CF component of the CSL match, they can do it with their other vehicles as well.

If you watch the BMW video of how they make the CFRP roof, you can see the large plain weave being used. It's just not usually the top layer. Look at the scraps in the trashcan in the video.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

If you watch the BMW video of how they make the CFRP roof, you can see the large plain weave being used. It's just not usually the top layer. Look at the scraps in the trashcan in the video.

What is your point exactly? I wasn't debating that. I'm well aware that the roof is constructed from plain weave. Did you even read the totality of the discussion?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What is your point exactly? I wasn't debating that. I'm well aware that the roof is constructed from plain weave. Did you even read the totality of the discussion?

That yes, I agree with your point that they could have made everything match. They have all the materials on hand.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by Flash2k7

Dealer told me they got their first communication in the USA this afternoon and that BMWUSA says first cars won't be delivered until September 2020 and that pricing will be revealed "soon".

They're hoping the deliveries will be sooner, but that's a bummer since original dates were hinted at earlier on the year.

Going to be a long wait...

UK says spring....

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Its compact size.. The end..

And if you don't like a HUD and haven't worked out where the off switch is in an M3/4🤣🤣🤣🤣

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

UK says spring....

I thought I read that the racing version would not be available until later in the year. Are there different tiers of dealership that would limit a dealership to later allocations? Maybe this dealership received specific info that they would not get initial allocation.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Can someone explain to me why you would pick this over an M3/4 comp? I get that it's nimbler but is that it?

I have an F80 and my wife had a 228i for a while.

The size difference you perceive when driving the cars is significant. The 2 series is very similar to my E46 in how the car feels around you and how big it feels on the road. The F80 feels much bigger.

That's not a dig on my F80 at all, as I love it and The size is not a downside for me, but taking the same car and making it the size of a 2 series will be that much "better" and more agile.

Also, by the time the CS is out, the M4 will be dead, and the CS will go away just as the G80 is coming out. So it's more like the CS is a perfect way to fill the time gap between the M3/4 generations with a car that has similar performance.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by MR_M2

Bmw milking the hype machine. This car is literally a M4 now minus the crfp hood and the m4 could be had in this spec since 2014.

If by "milking the hype machine" you mean following the same product planning and marketing model that everyone in the industry has used for a decade+, then I agree.

The auto industry is very predictable these days. This cars specs have been predicted accurately since the M4CS was first announced two years ago.

BMW is following a business case and being efficient with their production to meet customer needs and expectations within reason. There's no nefarious "hype machine" intent on screwing customers out of money.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by Flash2k7

Dealer told me they got their first communication in the USA this afternoon and that BMWUSA says first cars won't be delivered until September 2020 and that pricing will be revealed "soon".

They're hoping the deliveries will be sooner, but that's a bummer since original dates were hinted at earlier on the year.

Going to be a long wait...

Where are you located Flash? I thought start of production was March 2020 so you would assume delivery in spring.