[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

SDH

Cannot argue with anything you stated . . . my interests evolve.

I love Porsche sport cars. Experienced them and will go back to them someday.

Right now, however, I am really enjoying the BMW sporty coupe/sedan offerings. . . and want to continue to explore the models.

Honestly, not a fan of the G80/82 front grilles and certain other design elements . . . yet, in some odd way, seeing the recent release of the G80/82 made the F87 seem 'tired' in appearance. Not going to say the F87 is 'ugly' or anything stupid . . . just that the new BMW design direction is making the old look tired. It is what it is.

So, even though I have not fully embraced certain aesthetic elements of the G80, I do want to explore the M3C. As you state, it is big, heavy, under-tired . . . but my expectation is that it will be a great sporty sedan, just like the F87 M2C has been a great sporty coupe . . . when I am ready to get back into a sport car I know where to go to find one. Right now, BMW has my attention.

///AVM

Makes sense! Thanks for filling in the gaps. I do think it'll be interesting to see how the styling holds as time goes by. I used to adore the front end of the E90 M3, and now really don't care for it compared to the more aggressive modern versions. I also think the new cars will be great grand tourer versions and very practical. Definitely a place in my garage for that, just a very different slot than what I'm filling with the CS.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

Makes sense! Thanks for filling in the gaps. . . just a very different slot than what I'm filling with the CS.

SDH

I am curious to see what the BMW legend (M3) is all about in its G80 form. . . will it be visceral like the M2C, or will it be more a 'touring' sedan, as you describe it?

Regarding the G87, I truly think BMW understands what the ///M2 means to enthusiasts crowd . . . and the G87 will be the next great ///M car. We shall see soon enough.

///AVM

[sdhotwn]

Yep, it'll be interesting. The enthusiast in me wants the G87 to be awesome. The F87 owner in me hope it sucks

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

Yep, it'll be interesting. The enthusiast in me wants the G87 to be awesome. The F87 owner in me hope it sucks

Why does one need to suck for another to be great?

I had several E30 M3's and don't care for them relative to newerVMW's but that doesn't mean it sucks or it's a "lesser choice". I'd rather drive a M2 then a E30 M3. I'd also rather take my chances on a CS then the M4 I just turned in. And don't even start me on the new M3/4 front grill.....
But if you like it, I hope it's great!

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

Who comes on a CS forum and tries to s—t on everyone's choice here? I wonder what makes a BMW guy wanna poo on a bunch of other BMW guys?

Good question.

Originally Posted by kepler

The best version of any car always brings some hate. Especially when it's limited and costs more. This combination of factors always leads some to feel anger, bitterness, frustration, jealousy, etc. This is a time-tested truth -- I've seen it dozens upon dozens of times over the last 25 years. Sadly, the haters are often not even consciously aware of what is truly driving their hate. If you don't like the price or the CS package or both, the reasonable and efficient mind says to simply move on to the next option...but cars are emotional for enthusiasts more than rational.

Here is my answer to it. ^^^

[Davil]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

And apparently no one here wants the same things you want. If I wanted a "appliance" I'd save a ton of money and buy a Honda or Toyota. I want a car with a "soul". I'm afraid this CS may be the last small(key to many buyers here) that has any soul. I sold my GT3 in favor of my '17 M4 but I let that go in favor of the smaller '17 M2.

Remember this guy test drive some sort of Nissan Infiniti coupe and thought it felt the same as the M2C. So I understand the appliance analogy.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by kepler

Good question.



Here is my answer to it. ^^^

Kepler

Unfortunately, your argument holds zero water . . . there are plenty of CS allocations available all over the country for anyone who wants one.

Price is not an issue, so that is out the door.

I had a choice and chose the Competition. Simple as that.

I do not 'hate' the CS. It is simply an over-priced Competition, and I think the Competition is fantastic.

Expressing an interest in the G80/82/87 is not the same as hating on the outgoing F8X model lineup.

Again, I was inquiring if the wait has been too long . . . and whether anyone has refocused their attention from F87 CS to G80/82/87? No hate in the question.

///AVM

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

Why does one need to suck for another to be great?

I had several E30 M3's and don't care for them relative to newerVMW's but that doesn't mean it sucks or it's a "lesser choice". I'd rather drive a M2 then a E30 M3. I'd also rather take my chances on a CS then the M4 I just turned in. And don't even start me on the new M3/4 front grill.....
But if you like it, I hope it's great!

The smiley face in my comment was supposed to convey that I was jesting. As a general principle I want ALL cars to be great. I can't tell you how much I LOVE that Mazda and Genesis are turning out just incredible cars for their pricepoints. That Kia and Hyundai are reliable and genuinely drive beautifully with good tech. That Ford and GM have gotten their stuff together and finally have better interiors and improving reliability. I love all things 2, 3, and 4 wheeled, so I hope for nothing to actually suck.

My jest was really just that if the G87 is not well received or "sucks" in the eyes of the journalists or the enthusiasts it will prop up the value for all F87 owners and likely the CS in particular. So sometime long down the road when I may be ready to move on it'll leave a little extra cash in my pocket for the next thing. Truly, and purely a selfish motivation. Outside of that I'd have no interest or justification in it, and as I illustrated above, I have no actual desire to see the cars not proceed forward.

I love MY E36, F25, and F30. They are each wonderful and unique in their own ways, and the F87 will be a great addition to the family.

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Again, I was inquiring if the wait has been too long . . . and whether anyone has refocused their attention from F87 CS to G80/82/87? No hate in the question.

///AVM

My view around this assuming people are truly rational on these decisions (they are definitely not) is that the G80/G82 is too large for those really after the type of car that the F87 represented (otherwise they would have gone the F80 route etc). The G87 M variant isn't slated to be seen until early 2023, so it's a long way out, basically a full lease term away, so I don't think it's in scope for the decision.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Davil

Remember this guy test drive some sort of Nissan Infiniti coupe and thought it felt the same as the M2C. So I understand the appliance analogy.

Yep, the Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400 is a reasonable comparable to the M2C . . . much more so than the GT4 so many like to try and draw comparison to the M2C and CS.

Yep, automobiles are disposable motorized appliances . . . some nicer than others, but all disposable.

///AVM

[medphysdave]

I could see an m3 touring in the garage. I think it looks good with the large grill.

[gemini.m3]

I looked at the G80 M3C.. I been on quite a ride deciding between my 18 f80 m3c, m2 cs or g80 m3c.

Ultimately, I opted against the g8x for a few reasons..

#1 - it's not a secret anymore, if your dream car was an e46 m3 -- then the f87 is the car you want. The M3 grows in size and weight every damn generation - we're now only a few inches from the size of a f10 m5. 3900+ pounds?

#2 - the car is overstylized - take the bmw badges off and would you think its a lexus? if you could men in black your brain and erase what the g series bmw looks like - no way you'd ever guess that is a bmw m3.

#3 - the g8x m3c is now just a german muscle car that goes fast in a straight line and is bought for instagram flex/followers. I'm eager to see driving impressions, but there is no way the g8x is going to feel as nimble as a f87 m2c or cs variant.

#4 - I personally would never ever purchase a first year model or pre-LCI even. With the F80 18 MY or F87 M2 CS, you have the very best of that generation after multiple years of repetition in the factory. With the g8x, we're going to see this model, LCI, and eventually a CS variant

#5 - the real m3 (drivers car) won't be out until 2023, from what I'm hearing.

The new m3 just looks like a huge tank, touring model, great for highway - loads of tech, overstylized looks and plenty of interior upgrades to flex to your heart desire.. reviews withstanding, I just don't see it as "the ultimate driving machine"

Just my thought - god knows I can still change my mind.

[gmhl10]

I think this "Build Dates" thread has gone way off topic.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by gmhl10

I think this "Build Dates" thread has gone way off topic.

Yes. I think the old guy had a few too many Pimms, and ended up in the wrong section again.

[rusty racer]

Originally Posted by gmhl10

I think this "Build Dates" thread has gone way off topic.

🤪
So anyone on a boat on the way to the US?
Mine still says awaiting carrier assignment.

[DocEyes]

Originally Posted by rusty racer

🤪
So anyone on a boat on the way to the US?
Mike still says awaiting carrier assignment.

I think mine’s on the Monza which is stopping in Halifax ()in a few days, then New York and finally Brunswick, Georgia on November 3rd.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by rusty racer

🤪
So anyone on a boat on the way to the US?
Mike still says awaiting carrier assignment.

Still awaiting carrier assignment.

[cncmastr]

I'm still at port, however I suspect some update this week that it's on a boat!

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Still awaiting carrier assignment.

I'm at dispatched from factory today. So that's finally a step forward!

[Higgs Boson]

mine flipped to at the port sometime over the weekend. :-)

[cme]

///M is for Marketing.

The new cars SUCK !
I am fine missing the boat on the new heavy ass porkers that BMW builds.
My E92 M3 is a PIG !
M2 CS just clicks the right buttons for old timers.

Good luck BMW in your next adventure. I am moving on after the CS.
Chet

[jhall1957]

Mine is "At Port" this morning.