[Jagudelo12]

Is there any chance M2CS come in LBB and most importantly is there any chance this car maintains its value?

[tranck]

Originally Posted by Jagudelo12

Is there any chance M2CS come in LBB and most importantly is there any chance this car maintains its value?

No to LBB - Misano Blue will be the blue for this car.
Maintaining it's value? Doubtful.

[AlpsRider]

Too bad that LBB isn't available for the CS. I saw a Misano blue X2 parked in my neighborhood last week. I'm not really a fan. To me that color is trying too hard. I'm sure it has it's following though

[Artemis]

M2 CS test mule that was spotted before, doing another series of test laps at the Nürburgring:

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Jagudelo12

Is there any chance M2CS come in LBB and most importantly is there any chance this car maintains its value?

Once you drive it off the lot it's going to lose money so I assume when you say "maintain it's value" you mean won't have steep depreciation. The degree of depreciation is debatable but they will probably build enough that anyone wants and can afford it will be able to buy one. Like most cars I assume this will be a poor investment if you are simply looking at the economics of buying a new car.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by guardodoc

Admin.
Please move this post and many of the previous posts to the Porsche forum.

+1000 this GT4 BS is



This part of the forum has almost died a death. Jason posted a new M2CS video over 2 hour ago and there isn't a single comment on it. BMW have dragged this on far too long.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by JustChris

+1000 this GT4 BS is



This part of the forum has almost died a death. Jason posted a new M2CS video over 2 hour ago and there isn't a single comment on it. BMW have dragged this on far too long.

Car sounds like garbage, but I can't wait to get one. Forwarded the link above to my SA. They now don't have to work out a special deal for the gold wheels. Interesting that this is going to be LA and not Frankfurt. Maybe makes sense with the rumor of US only.

[RPM33]

Can someone confirm if the M2 CS is the last F87 M2 and that a M2 CSL will not come shortly after?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Can someone confirm if the M2 CS is the last F87 M2 and that a M2 CSL will not come shortly after?

Previous rumor was CS for NA and CSL everywhere else.

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Previous rumor was CS for NA and CSL everywhere else.

Why?

How does this make any sense???

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Tornado1M

Why?

How does this make any sense???

I am curious about this as well. I was wondering if it was crash test requirements in US limited the ability of weight reduction, but I thought Europe had tighter standards.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Can someone confirm if the M2 CS is the last F87 M2 and that a M2 CSL will not come shortly after?

Repost (March 2019):

Originally Posted by Artemis

Already in July 2018 ynguldyn reported in the model pipeline preview thread about signs of an "M2 Racing".
And on Feb 25, 2019 forum fellow Ibiza reported about a 470hp track-only M2 in the works (information reported to be obtained from the BMW Group testing centre in Arjeplog, located in northern Sweden some 55 km from the Arctic Circle):

Originally Posted by Ibiza

BMWBlog reached out to their source to confirm what I reported. The M2 Track Cup would be built similar to the M4 GT4, meaning that BMW Motorsports outsources to Holzer Motorsport a stripper from the production line.

EDIT: as we know, in the past BMW released the M235i Racing (see here and here) and last year the M240i Racing (340hp & 460Nm - see here, here and here). Track-only BMW 2-Series racecars.

Looks like - apart from 450hp M2 CS test sessions (street legal car) - BMW is also testing a 470hp "M2 Racing" track-only prototype (Portimão Circuit - Portugal).

Excerpt from a BMW press release of June 24, 2019 (see here):

"BMW sets course for a successful Customer Racing future – New entry-level model based on the BMW M2 for grassroots and club racing.
Munich. Next year is set to be a good year for private BMW drivers and teams who battle for race wins and titles around the world. BMW is offering customers with a passion for grassroots motorsport and club racing a global service and technical support. Furthermore, the model range is being successively renewed. Leading the way in 2020 is a new entry-level race car, based on the BMW M2 Competition (combined fuel consumption in l/100 km: 10.0–9.8; combined CO2 emissions in g/km: 227–224), which is equally suited to racing at club and professional levels.
The successor to the BMW M240i Racing, is currently being developed and tested. The focus is on easy handling – with the highest technical quality and maximum safety. The first cars are to be delivered at the start of the second quarter of 2020. A maiden test under race conditions is planned for round five of the VLN Endurance Championship at the Nürburgring (GER) on 3rd August 2019.
The BMW M2 Competition is setting fresh benchmarks in the compact high-performance sports car segment. It’s powered by a six-cylinder in-line engine with M TwinPower Turbo Technology, based on the power unit from the BMW M3/M4, with three-litre cubic capacity, delivering 410 bhp with a peak torque of 550 Nm. Creating a race version of this model was a logical step.
Furthermore, the Customer Racing service concept is to be expanded by building and developing competence centres in the USA and Asia. To achieve this, experienced partners will be commissioned to support teams at a local level with a high degree of motorsport expertise.
On the distribution and service side, dealers with a focus on motorsport will be established around the world. They will offer optimal customer care, in line with BMW’s high standards, thanks to special training. This new area offers the ideal entry opportunity for BMW drivers who have, for example, fallen in love with motor racing whilst on BMW Driving Experience training courses."

Kudos to forum fellow Gonven for the heads-up in this thread.

[Advevo]

The Renault megane RS trophy.

130kg weight savings

300hp and 1300kg now that is how you do it.

New AMG 45s 4 cil turbo 1635 kg thats not how you do it.

My m2c also 1635 kg much much to heavy.

Why also more hp in the CS 450hp is it because it s the easy way.

I rather see a m2 at 1300kg like the renault trophy with about same hp as the 1m coupe. At 450 hp that s no entry M car anymore.

It is such shame BMW cars getting bigger and heavier. Especially M cars which should give more fun in driving. Weight is youre biggest enemy!

Stop the hp wars. I need 1300kg or less and not 450hp or more!


Colin Chapman stance holds true, more power will make it faster on the straights, less weight makes it faster everywhere.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Advevo

The Renault megane RS trophy.

130kg weight savings

300hp and 1300kg now that is how you do it.

New AMG 45s 4 cil turbo 1635 kg thats not how you do it.

My m2c also 1635 kg much much to heavy.

Why also more hp in the CS 450hp is it because it s the easy way.

I rather see a m2 at 1300kg like the renault trophy with about same hp as the 1m coupe. At 450 hp that s no entry M car anymore.

It is such shame BMW cars getting bigger and heavier. Especially M cars which should give more fun in driving. Weight is youre biggest enemy!

Stop the hp wars. I need 1300kg or less and not 450hp or more!


Colin Chapman stance holds true, more power will make it faster on the straights, less weight makes it faster everywhere.

You can thank the never ending desire for higher performance. Modern cars travel faster on average than years ago. Speed limits have increased on interstates. All of this equates to more weight needed to protect the passenger, or high dollar materials to do the same with less weight. I don't believe that damage inflicted vs increasing speed is a linear relationship. More like an exponential. F=ma=mv^2

Edit: As Tranck rightfully called out the error above: F=ma=mv^2/r. Which should also be pointed out as an angular F equation. Otherwise you're looking at the change in momentum with respect to time. F is going to increase with velocity, or a decrease in time.

Maybe someone with more knowledge about structural damage can chime in on the necessary increase in structural strength and how it relates to and increase in impact velocity.

[tranck]

F=ma=mv^2 - wtf Dave seriously.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Maybe someone with more knowledge about structural damage can chime in on the necessary increase in structural strength and how it relates to and increase in impact velocity.

Q: "What is the scientific formula for passenger protection when M2 power output is increased to 450hp for the M2 CS, when taking into consideration some weight gain ?"
A: "Yes."

[TemjinX2]

as others implied crashing standards are moving target. A 5 star crash car from 10yrs ago is probably a 2-3 star today. To meet those higher standards manufacturers have to use more reinforcement or expensive high strength lighter materials.

Since cars are built to a price point...its cheaper just to increase the hp to improve performance then make the car lighter.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by 10"

totally right, man! you've got a good head on your shoulders

the real motoring enthusiast sees those dumb numbers, shrugs, and asks "can i drive it?"

[Artemis]

Top Gear - July 11, 2019 - "BMW: no M1 super hatch coming, new M2 and M2 CS instead - No Merc A45 rival, but who cares: there'll be a six-pot, RWD M2" (source: here):

"Flasch [Markus Flasch - BMW M boss] was trying to persuade me what a great car the M8 is, how much I was going to love it when I try it three months from now. Yeah, but it’s so big and heavy, I said. Oh but it doesn’t feel that way, he promised. Oh but I love the M2, I countered.
He paused, smiled. “Yes… the M2 is my favourite M car too. It’s got so much character. Not every driver goes to tracks and uses all the performance, but in the M2 you feel the character at the first roundabout. It’s got precise steering, an agile drivetrain, manual shift. We will continue to offer manual when customers demand it. It’s about being fun to drive.”
Our feelings exactly. Don’t change a thing.
Flasch added, “We’ll do more special models of the M cars, limited edition CS versions.” And sure enough we hear, from other sources, that an M2 CS is coming, as a run-out car for the current-generation M2 Competition. More power, less weight. Might be worth making friends with your dealer right now."

The M2 CS is gonna be ace. They know it. We know it. The competition knows it.

[as7920]

But it's just too damn late.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Top Gear - July 11, 2019 - "BMW: no M1 super hatch coming, new M2 and M2 CS instead - No Merc A45 rival, but who cares: there'll be a six-pot, RWD M2" (source: here):

"Flasch [Markus Flasch - BMW M boss] was trying to persuade me what a great car the M8 is, how much I was going to love it when I try it three months from now. Yeah, but it’s so big and heavy, I said. Oh but it doesn’t feel that way, he promised. Oh but I love the M2, I countered.
He paused, smiled. “Yes… the M2 is my favourite M car too. It’s got so much character. Not every driver goes to tracks and uses all the performance, but in the M2 you feel the character at the first roundabout. It’s got precise steering, an agile drivetrain, manual shift. We will continue to offer manual when customers demand it. It’s about being fun to drive.”
Our feelings exactly. Don’t change a thing.
Flasch added, “We’ll do more special models of the M cars, limited edition CS versions.” And sure enough we hear, from other sources, that an M2 CS is coming, as a run-out car for the current-generation M2 Competition. More power, less weight. Might be worth making friends with your dealer right now."

The M2 CS is gonna be ace. They know it. We know it. The competition knows it.

I think he really nails it in this conversation. Heavy cars can be a great experience, but heavy cars aren't fun at low speed. You can't get them moving around until your on a track where you have the room to make them feel lighter than the are with different driving lines.

[tranck]

The S/A manager in Raleigh had the opportunity to drive every M car that BMW made in Spartanburg and he said that the M2 was by far the best that he had driven primarily as many have said - the weight and size.

The M2CS may scorch the earth. Just hope it sounds as good as it goes.