[Poochie]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

When it was first introduced on STS, it was not. 15+ years of r&d, endless testing miles...it has now been perfected. Combined that with their world class alpha chassis. That is why GM is hitting chassis/ride/steering dynamics out of the park.

It seems pretty similar to BMW's set up..

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

The GT350 magnetic suspension is far surperior to the M4 adaptive suspension. Different technologies.

That’s why I cited the GT 350. C7 type would be OK too.

[F82K2S0]

OP/Poochie "the M2C is lacking it a vital piece of modern automotive technology"

Bmw wants to sell you the better suspension option for m2c at the parts counter "m performance" that looked to be a kw 2way rebranded. All the comfort people will stay stock and be just fine on the street.
If your vital modern technology did more than On/Off function, lets say it controlled a 3way kit for all adjustments (6 low speed, 14 high speed, and 16 rebound) that would be cool.
The same technology could per corner lift adjustment of ride height like Porsche does front axle lift, and while we are dreaming of more than just ON/OFF lets make that technology also allow adjustable camber plates,.. on the fly!
m/adaptive on my m4 is in a box in the corner of my garage where it belongs.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Poochie

It seems pretty similar to BMW's set up..
[VIDEO]

Completely different technology. BMW adaptive shocks are like a traditional shock absorber but with active values that change damping force. Magnetic shocks have a magnetic fluid(iron particles in oil(ferrofluid)). Magnets control the thickness of the fluid. Pros of magnetic shock technology is they react much faster and don't have moving parts(valves) that can fail. Magnetic shock tech also allows for a greater range between comfort and race settings.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by F82K2S0

OP/Poochie "the M2C is lacking it a vital piece of modern automotive technology"

Bmw wants to sell you the better suspension option for m2c at the parts counter "m performance" that looked to be a kw 2way rebranded. All the comfort people will stay stock and be just fine on the street.
If your vital modern technology did more than On/Off function, lets say it controlled a 3way kit for all adjustments (6 low speed, 14 high speed, and 16 rebound) that would be cool.
The same technology could per corner lift adjustment of ride height like Porsche does front axle lift, and while we are dreaming of more than just ON/OFF lets make that technology also allow adjustable camber plates,.. on the fly!
m/adaptive on my m4 is in a box in the corner of my garage where it belongs.

I forgot they also offer adjustable coilovers from the M Performance line as an option. Manual but adjustable nonetheless..

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by F82K2S0

OP/Poochie "the M2C is lacking it a vital piece of modern automotive technology"

Bmw wants to sell you the better suspension option for m2c at the parts counter "m performance" that looked to be a kw 2way rebranded. All the comfort people will stay stock and be just fine on the street.
If your vital modern technology did more than On/Off function, lets say it controlled a 3way kit for all adjustments (6 low speed, 14 high speed, and 16 rebound) that would be cool.
The same technology could per corner lift adjustment of ride height like Porsche does front axle lift, and while we are dreaming of more than just ON/OFF lets make that technology also allow adjustable camber plates,.. on the fly!
m/adaptive on my m4 is in a box in the corner of my garage where it belongs.

KW 3 way. Height, damper and rebound. Spring rates are also different I think.

[Smindustries]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

KW 3 way. Height, damper and rebound. Spring rates are also different I think.

He's right, they're 2-way. Height is not considered a damper setting. The adjustments are compression and rebound. A 3- or 4-way has high- and low-speed compression and rebound adjustability.

KW's branding of 'V3' is meaningless in the context of adjustability. It's just a model name and has no bearing on its features.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Smindustries

He's right, they're 2-way. Height is not considered a damper setting. The adjustments are compression and rebound. A 3- or 4-way has high- and low-speed compression and rebound adjustability.

KW's branding of 'V3' is meaningless in the context of adjustability. It's just a model name and has no bearing on its features.

Yup, BMW even calls them "F87 M2 BMW M Performance 2-Way Adjustable Coilover Kit 33502413033".

[MR.]

Why not? Price tag... Car would become too expensive and get too close to the M3/M4.

MR

[Poochie]

I could live with these but the $2,200 price though... #Yikes


https://www.shopbmwusa.com/PDF/BMW_M...ion_Manual.pdf


https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1247222

[McPurrs]

Without this suspension, wont the M1 and M2 buttons just be another way to program sport and sport+... or two sport profiles? Is that it or am I missing something?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by McPurrs

Without this suspension, wont the M1 and M2 buttons just be another way to program sport and sport+... or two sport profiles? Is that it or am I missing something?

Yea that's pretty much why I was asking. It seems to be just another glorified of saving the throttle, steering and exhaust responses, with no suspension manipulation..

I am almost 100% sure the next generation of M2s will have this feature, especially if 19 inch wheels are the only option..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by MR.

Why not? Price tag... Car would become too expensive and get too close to the M3/M4.

MR

And the adaptive suspension probably is also heavier..

[MSurge]

Originally Posted by chmura

I’m glad it doesn’t have it. If you want it get m3/m4.

Not sure why people are complaining of the equpitment the M2 doesn’t have. What’s next? The M2 is too small in size?

Agree. I hate adaptive suspension. One more thing to break. And they never feel “right”: either not enough of a difference or too much of one, such that comfort is too soft and sport is too hard.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And the magnetic suspension probably is also heavier..

Was waiting for someone to mention that.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Yea that's pretty much why I was asking. It seems to be just another glorified of saving the throttle, steering and exhaust responses, with no suspension manipulation..

I am almost 100% sure the next generation of M2s will have this feature, especially if 19 inch wheels are the only option..

Easier to comprehend version of your attached pic here.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by MSurge

Agree. I hate adaptive suspension. One more thing to break. And they never feel “right”: either not enough of a difference or too much of one, such that comfort is too soft and sport is too hard.

Honestly if you are getting adjustable coilovers it is a waste of money anyways. I would be much happier with the Mperf coilovers vs adaptive suspension.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And the magnetic suspension probably is also heavier..

For clarity, the M3/M4 adaptive suspension is not magnetic suspension.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

For clarity, the M3/M4 adaptive suspension is not magnetic suspension.

ugh.... used the wrong word. will correct thank you.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MSurge

Agree. I hate adaptive suspension. One more thing to break. And they never feel “right”: either not enough of a difference or too much of one, such that comfort is too soft and sport is too hard.

See here:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Alike in base M2 VIN build sheets, nowhere in 'M2 Competition' VIN build sheets any reference whatsoever to the Adaptive M Suspension (BMW code 2VF).

On the other hand, upgraded brakes will be optional (option code 2NH: M Sport brakes) but no reference to carbon ceramic brakes in 'M2 Competition' VIN build sheets.

Riding a horse: just one setting and that's it. It's just a matter of getting a good horse.

Here's what M2 project manager Frank Isenberg said at the end of 2015 about the M2 tires, suspension and brakes:

"That chunkier body - 55mm wider front, 80mm rear - is essential to cover wider track courtesy of M4 forged aluminium suspension components. «The track is the same, but the M4 tyres wouldn't fit, so the tyres are 10mm narrower,» says Isenberg. The Michelin Pilot Sports measure 245/35 ZR19 front, 265/35 ZR19 rear.
The suspension is matched to bespoke springs and dampers but there's no adapative suspension. «The problem with adaptive dampers is you're changing the damper, not the spring, so you end up with a spring that is a compromise between two settings,» explains Isenberg.
Underneath the M2's squat body, additional bracing increases rigidity. «Boomerang braces» arc between headlamps and front wings, struts angled at 45 degrees glint through both kidney grilles like a rollcage through a rear window, and both the A-pillar and boot also sent for reinforcements.
The M4's optional carbon-ceramic brakes aren't offered, engineers arguing that the cost, plus the reduced power and weight of the M2 negate the need. Instead, regular M4 brakes are carried over - drilled discs all round, four-piston calipers front, two-piston rear - and you can ask your dealer for track pads; there's no performance increase and they squeak, but the last longer."
(source: here)

[Rupes]

Personally, I don't want the added complexity / cost of adaptive suspension. I'd rather see the manufacturer just focus on one setting and nail it.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

"That chunkier body - 55mm wider front, 80mm rear - is essential to cover wider track courtesy of M4 forged aluminium suspension components. «The track is the same, but the M4 tyres wouldn't fit, so the tyres are 10mm narrower,» says Isenberg. The Michelin Pilot Sports measure 245/35 ZR19 front, 265/35 ZR19 rear.

See here:

he said Chunky..