[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Yep,after looking at the pic you posted again it’s definitely Dakota leather.So someone pays extra because they want the upgraded M Seats and they won’t have the premium Merino leather.BMW really cheaped out on this one.The only reason why BMW would do this is because they don’t want the M2 Competition to have the same leather as the M3 and M4.They want to save the premium leather for the more expensive model.This is probably the first time that M seats have been made without premium leather like Nappa and Merino.

The reason is to keep the M2 an entry into the M-market. It is just one of cost cutting measures the M2 Comp will get.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

The reason is to keep the M2 an entry into the M-market. It is just one of cost cutting measures the M2 Comp will get.

Although I wouldn't expect Merino or even Nappa to be offered in the entry level M, they should at least offer Vernasca leather as an option which is a step up from Dakota. The standard seats can remain Dakota due to cost, but since they are going thorough the trouble of offering upgraded seats they should have better leather and that cost would be passed onto the customer. Vernasca leather is not nicer than Merino so it wouldn't step on big brothers toes. Would be a win win, but I guess the bean counters don't see it that way.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

Although I wouldn't expect Merino or even Nappa to be offered in the entry level M, they should at least offer Vernasca leather as an option which is a step up from Dakota. The standard seats can remain Dakota due to cost, but since they are going thorough the trouble of offering upgraded seats they should have better leather and that cost would be passed onto the customer. Vernasca leather is not nicer than Merino so it wouldn't step on big brothers toes. Would be a win win, but I guess the bean counters don't see it that way.

I agree an upgrade from dakota would be nice. I guess they believe offering the perforated dakota leather option is enough. I would venture to guess the 712 M-Sport seat option will require the perf leather option.

[David1]

I prefer the Dakota leather. That stuff is bulletproof. The other leathers don't look so good after a year.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by David1

I prefer the Dakota leather. That stuff is bulletproof. The other leathers don't look so good after a year.

Agreed. I've had them all.

[Mavus]

Any info whether manual seats will be offered?

[adc]

Originally Posted by David1

I prefer the Dakota leather. That stuff is bulletproof. The other leathers don't look so good after a year.

I've had most other leathers and would tend to agree, except for Merino. It is holding up remarkably well in my M3, and it's the Sakhir Orange (no hiding dirt, creases, faded sections). It looks basically brand new after almost 3 years, surprised me.

Leather quality would not make any difference in my buying decision, so I'm fine with Dakota as long as I can get an allocation for Euro Delivery.

[IB M]

Minor add on the M2 / M3 Comparo - size does matter - M3 has more presence on the road even though M2!pulls mad looks the M3 is just bigger but not too big ...... and what I notice most, driving both cars weekly, is it has more room to throw your arm up and out the window on a nice day.

[M2C_PLUS]

Originally Posted by Artemis

How the M Sport Seats may look inside the M2 Competition (option code 712):
one-piece black F82 M4 seats (not the ZCP version featuring cut-outs) including the ///M logo hexagon plaque at the top of the middle part, but this time in black Dakota leather, blue or orange contrast-stitching, the block/stripe design in the middle part (4 blocks on base and 6 blocks on upper/vertical middle seat part) in a different color (for example orange if the contrast stitching is orange) either plain or perforated (depending on the chosen option), and a slice of alcantara (instead of leather) curving along the outside of the upper/vertical seat part (the part parallel with, and closest to, the door) (not inside the side bolsters as on the M4 CS).

Quite glad I pulled my deposit if the option seats only come with the coloured centres I think it makes them look cheap. Contrast stitching yes but the coloured centres no.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by Tag

Although I wouldn't expect Merino or even Nappa to be offered in the entry level M, they should at least offer Vernasca leather as an option which is a step up from Dakota. The standard seats can remain Dakota due to cost, but since they are going thorough the trouble of offering upgraded seats they should have better leather and that cost would be passed onto the customer. Vernasca leather is not nicer than Merino so it wouldn't step on big brothers toes. Would be a win win, but I guess the bean counters don't see it that way.

There is no reason Nappa isn't expected. Z4 of last gen has it, 5 series has it and they're not even M cars. M2 is only Dakota worthy what you saying?

It also doesn't make sense M2 offers zero extra tech and luxury over lesser 2ers. Tech and luxury have nothing to do with performance hierarchy, BMW is cheaping out on a popular product (sold out anyway) is what happened.

[krizze]

Originally Posted by Zombie_Head

I still think the M2 is purposely held back by M division due to their M3/M4

Also think it is too big and fat, but that's the way with modern cars.

Bet it will be fast as hell though, and given the choice between this or the RS3, this all the way.

too big and fat?!??!! buy a 240i then lol, its the whole point of the m2

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

There is no reason Nappa isn't expected. Z4 of last gen has it, 5 series has it and they're not even M cars. M2 is only Dakota worthy what you saying?

It also doesn't make sense M2 offers zero extra tech and luxury over lesser 2ers. Tech and luxury have nothing to do with performance hierarchy, BMW is cheaping out on a popular product (sold out anyway) is what happened.

It's the same on every M car. The M3 doesn't get any more luxury/tech than you spec out of a normal 3 series other than special seats. Yes, it is about hierarchy.

The M2 was done as a budget M car, which is why they didn't change the seats.

[Zombie_Head]

Originally Posted by krizze

too big and fat?!??!! buy a 240i then lol, its the whole point of the m2

I still think the original E30 M3 looks better as well as the 1M, both have proper flared arches, as a M car should have.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

It's the same on every M car. The M3 doesn't get any more luxury/tech than you spec out of a normal 3 series other than special seats. Yes, it is about hierarchy.

The M2 was done as a budget M car, which is why they didn't change the seats.

Spec Merino on normal 3 series please.

[Colinv6]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Spec Merino on normal 3 series please.

You can spec merino in a F3x, makes a huge visual difference over Dakota

[Levente_CSL]

gonna be really pissed if the comp will be the same price as the m2 now. the fact that its gonna replace our m2 and most of the stuff will be as an option that means it will be just a couple thousands more or not. i payed 61 k EUR here in Münich. the M4 starts at 75k. the M2 comp cannot be 71k nor 69k. i would say 66k? but there m2s out there which costs more then 70k EUR with every option.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Levente_CSL

gonna be really pissed if the comp will be the same price as the m2 now. the fact that its gonna replace our m2 and most of the stuff will be as an option that means it will be just a couple thousands more or not. i payed 61 k EUR here in Münich. the M4 starts at 75k. the M2 comp cannot be 71k nor 69k. i would say 66k? but there m2s out there which costs more then 70k EUR with every option.

I don't think you have anything to worry about on the price front - I can't see BMW making these adjustments and not charging for it.

The M2 Comp, in my opinion, will get closer to base M3/4 prices, but not exceed it (unless you add options). But we should know for sure soon enough.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

You can spec merino in a F3x, makes a huge visual difference over Dakota

Individual doesn't count, you can individual any model with right amount of cash.

[Levente_CSL]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I don't think you have anything to worry about on the price front - I can't see BMW making these adjustments and not charging for it.

The M2 Comp, in my opinion, will get closer to base M3/4 prices, but not exceed it (unless you add options). But we should know for sure soon enough.

but then you buy an m4 base instead no? i mean that would foolish not to at that point i mean.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Levente_CSL

but then you buy an m4 base instead no? i mean that would foolish not to at that point i mean.

Some people prefer the size of the M2.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Some people prefer the size of the M2.

I certainly do - it might all be in my head, but the M3 sort of splits the difference, based on my driving impressions of all three. The M2 definitely feels the smallest, the M4 the biggest. I do wish the M3 were closer to the M2's size, but I don't think we are going to see a baby M sedan...which would sell like hotcakes...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I certainly do - it might all be in my head, but the M3 sort of splits the difference, based on my driving impressions of all three. The M2 definitely feels the smallest, the M4 the biggest. I do wish the M3 were closer to the M2's size, but I don't think we are going to see a baby M sedan...which would sell like hotcakes...

Visibility is better on the M3 for sure compared to the M4. I think the rake of the greenhouse and the different window proportions contribute to it feeling bigger. Most coupes feel larger than their sedan counterparts I've found.