[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Artemis

BMWBlog consistently keeps quoting Mineral Grey as one of the available M2 Competition colors.

Personally I think that that piece of information is inaccurate, as none of the 118 retrieved M2 Competition test mules has the MG body color. They are all AW, BSM, LBB, HS and Sunset O.

It would be nice if they kept it AND you could get the 666M wheels as an upgrade.

Now THAT would be hot.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by champignon

I have a stripped 6MT in MG coming to the Western US early next month. I would entertain offers with a modest upcharge of 100%. Please PM me.

someone will love that stripper!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

We shall see - I know I am not paying M3 prices (70+K) for the S55 M2, if that's the main difference for the Comp version, because the interior is pretty low rent at the moment and the seats especially are not very good (make fun all you want, it matters some) - but there might be folks who are totally down for that, which I can respect for sure.

As you might remember, one of the main gripes I have with my F80 is the lack of an inspiring sound...the civic M2 actually sounds better now already - so you're asking people to get excited about the capabilities of the motor, but not the sound. I am not sure that will be enough for the average potential M2 buyer, especially if we get to the wrong kind of price point.

But maybe it will just be that good with more BHP and the other expected tweaks - hard to know before it formally debuts.

LOL.. for every M seat snob.. there are TEN " Real M motor is an S motor " people.

There's no need to " ask people to get excited about the motor" as there are so many old school M snobs that finally NOW now consider the M2 a " real M car".

I'm not one of those people.... the current motor in my 1M makes plenty of power... What most M cars need most right now is the ability to get whatever M Power they have to the ground competently, which has usually been a BMW forte.

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

My last three cars have been (in order) 235, 981CS, F80 ZCP. That's where the low rent comment comes from - the M2 is certainly more special than the 235 was from that perspective, but is still a far cry from a 981/F80.

And your house is probably a far cry from where Peter Thiel lives, but that doesn't mean I'm going to call your living situation low-rent. Make sense?

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I also really like the ZCP seats in my F80, which I don't love overall.

Rumor has it they're going to make one more movie in the "Saw" series, and in this one Jigsaw is going to give people 2 hours to figure out how to undo the rigged seatbelt on a ZCP seat. If they don't, they have to sit there. Nothing gruesome is actually going to happen to them...they'll just be tortured having to sit in a ZCP seat for the entirety of the movie.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Also, that's a very fine chardonnay you're drinking.

I have no idea what this means. Seriously...I can't figure it out.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by afwares

As an aside, Archie is adding an exhaust to his M2, but I found it interesting that so far he's opting not to add a tune to the car. I'm paraphrasing, but in two different videos he said the horsepower to weight ratio is already perfect, and the driveability of the current M2 is so good he thinks adding horsepower may take it too far.

I wonder how I would feel about the power of the M2 if I wasn't on crappy CA 91 gas lol. It might be noticeable difference where Archie is!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

LOL.. for every M seat snob.. there are TEN " Real M motor is an S motor " people.

There's no need to " ask people to get excited about the motor" as there are so many old school M snobs that finally NOW now consider the M2 a " real M car".

I'm not one of those people.... the current motor in my 1M makes plenty of power... What most M cars need most right now is the ability to get whatever M Power they have to the ground competently, which has usually been a BMW forte.

I don't think it's snobbery to prefer one over the other - I was just never crazy about the seats in the 235, as compared to the seats in the 981 or F80. Likewise, I don't think the interior is low rent in the civic M2 because of the seats either, which is why I mentioned them separately.

I also think of the 1M as an M car...but I can see where people might challenge that notion, based upon factors other than just the motor. Again, not snobbery when looked at from an objective perspective. I definitely don't agree with those who say it's not an M car because it wasn't an E92 M3 though.

Completely agree on the "getting the power down" comment - there was a guy in an E92 335is that just walked away from me the other day when taking off from a stop light...unfortunately, the traction control light was the one that kept dancing in front of my eyes...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by afwares

And your house is probably a far cry from where Peter Thiel lives, but that doesn't mean I'm going to call your living situation low-rent. Make sense?



Rumor has it they're going to make one more movie in the "Saw" series, and in this one Jigsaw is going to give people 2 hours to figure out how to undo the rigged seatbelt on a ZCP seat. If they don't, they have to sit there. Nothing gruesome is actually going to happen to them...they'll just be tortured having to sit in a ZCP seat for the entirety of the movie.



I have no idea what this means. Seriously...I can't figure it out.

1) No, honestly. The respective status of the 2er's interior is one that can be debated, depending on whether or not your immediate surroundings are important to you. They feel low rent to me...which is not shitty or disgusting, just low rent.

2) I have driven Dallas --> Chicago and Dallas --> Indianapolis in those seats (with my lady in tow) and found them to be very nice. No complaints from me.

3) Check your signature, think about it, and then read it again.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by afwares

And your house is probably a far cry from where Peter Thiel lives, but that doesn't mean I'm going to call your living situation low-rent. Make sense?

Relative to other German brands like Audi and Mercedes the interior on this 50k+ BMW doesn't compare well. It's not really that any of it bothers me (except the dry carbon looks like cheap plastic), it's that it doesn't compare well against other similar brands similar priced cars. I KNOW it could look better for basically the same money and to me that just indicates BMW doesn't take pride in their work when it comes to interiors. That said everything is laid out in a way that makes sense and easy to use with the exception of the dual zone climate not having a sync function so you have to turn two knobs instead of one, that's really the only functional gripe I have. I guess the fact that the knob for zooming in on the nav turns the wrong way sucks too, but pretty minor.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I don't think it's snobbery to prefer one over the other - I was just never crazy about the seats in the 235, as compared to the seats in the 981 or F80. Likewise, I don't think the interior is low rent in the civic M2 because of the seats either, which is why I mentioned them separately.

I also think of the 1M as an M car...but I can see where people might challenge that notion, based upon factors other than just the motor. Again, not snobbery when looked at from an objective perspective. I definitely don't agree with those who say it's not an M car because it wasn't an E92 M3 though.

Completely agree on the "getting the power down" comment - there was a guy in an E92 335is that just walked away from me the other day when taking off from a stop light...unfortunately, the traction control light was the one that kept dancing in front of my eyes...

your reason for the preference may not be... but many buyers prefer the M3 and M4 seats based on LOOKS..not comfort
and many M3 and M4 buyers DO look down on the M2 interior as well..
and the mirrors..
and the carbon fiber.. etc etc etc

[mjsaville]

Originally Posted by akkando

Relative to other German brands like Audi and Mercedes the interior on this 50k+ BMW doesn't compare well. It's not really that any of it bothers me (except the dry carbon looks like cheap plastic), it's that it doesn't compare well against other similar brands similar priced cars. I KNOW it could look better for basically the same money and to me that just indicates BMW doesn't take pride in their work when it comes to interiors. That said everything is laid out in a way that makes sense and easy to use with the exception of the dual zone climate not having a sync function so you have to turn two knobs instead of one, that's really the only functional gripe I have. I guess the fact that the knob for zooming in on the nav turns the wrong way sucks too, but pretty minor.

Both your points about Sync'ing of the climate control and the Sat Nav Dial turning the wrong way are real irritants of mine.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

your reason for the preference may not be... but many buyers prefer the M3 and M4 seats based on LOOKS..not comfort
and many M3 and M4 buyers DO look down on the M2 interior as well..
and the mirrors..
and the carbon fiber.. etc etc etc

Totally understand - I actually find the holes to the ZCP seat to be functional from the perspective of letting some heat off my back escape, especially in those sweltering Dallas dog days of summer.

Comfortable AND functional for me - you can't beat that.

[RussM4]

My m2 is for sale now, getting on line for the m2 cs
Alpine White / 6-Speed manual / Executive Package / Black kidney grills /
35% Tints / 3,600 miles.
Clean inside and out.
anybody interested ?

someone help me, where do i list my car for sale on here?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by RussM2

My m2 is for sale now, getting on line for the m2 cs
Alpine White / 6-Speed manual / Executive Package / Black kidney grills /
35% Tints / 3,600 miles.
Clean inside and out.
anybody interested ?

someone help me, where do i list my car for sale on here?

In the classified section. If you check the home page with all the forums it's a good way down the page

[RussM4]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

In the classified section. If you check the home page with all the forums it's a good way down the page

Thanks got it!

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

3) Check your signature, think about it, and then read it again.

Was working and posting concurrently - not enough brain cells to do both at the same time very well and blanked on your reference!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by afwares

Was working and posting concurrently - not enough brain cells to do both at the same time very well and blanked on your reference!

Glad you got there - love that movie.

[pruettfan]

I don't buy any car I am not willing to live with for 4-6 years, dumping a car after a year or two is just too expensive. I am sure the M2 will be impressive with the S55, hell its impressive as it is but I wouldn't be willing to take the loss on my 17 M2 for a 19 M2. If I were going to take a financial hit changing cars I would look for a totally different experience versus something that is likely going to be 80-90%ish what I already have.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Yiruna

Nah, I'd rather just wait for the next generation M2 Competiton/CS/CSL. If that one isn't good I'll just get a Preowned comp M2

This. I think the S55 will be a largely forgotten M motor. On the other hand the B58 is surprising us in all aspects.

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by stefan

This. I think the S55 will be a largely forgotten M motor. On the other hand the B58 is surprising us in all aspects.

As I understand it, the VANOS is on the backside of the B58, up against the firewall. Which would necessitate dropping the engine if that needed repair. The B58 is still relatively new, so it hasn't been around long enough to see if this ends up being an issue. But I have to think it's a bit of an unknown in regards to that engine and long-term cost of ownership. Someone please correct me if my info is wrong on this.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by afwares

As I understand it, the VANOS is on the backside of the B58, up against the firewall. Which would necessitate dropping the engine if that needed repair. The B58 is still relatively new, so it hasn't been around long enough to see if this ends up being an issue. But I have to think it's a bit of an unknown in regards to that engine and long-term cost of ownership. Someone please correct me if my info is wrong on this.

You say this like you've never dropped a motor out of a chassis. Sheesh.

[Damage Inc]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I just wish we knew what the whole lineup looked like - aka, will the Competition be the last M2 for the F87 generation? Or are we going to get something more hardcore (CSL?)

The lack of verified info puts you in a tough place as a potential customer...

It puts BMW in the best position. They dont want us to stop buying cars immediately and holding out.

[Damage Inc]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It's just a joke - aka, the civic M3/4 are the base (non ZCP, CS, or GTS) models.

Same applies here...

lmao... I loved the "civic M3" term

Civic M3 = base model no ZCP

I guess its a matter of time before it spills over to the M2 forum

F80 M3 sounding like a civic fart can: I"m not going there... it will derail this thread