[damnitBobby]

Meh. Looks cool but if it’s over $70k may as well get a M3/4. Much better spacious interior with the same motor.

And why not just call it a CS? Seems strange to call it competition when ‘competition’ is currently just a package in the m3/4/5/6. Too much inconsistency.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I cannot believe that more people are not excited or commenting about the hockenheim silver. I thought that was a big deal.

the big deal is under the hood

[SCOTT26]

Hockenheim Silver is more of a classic BMW Silver. Lighter in consistency than Pure Metal Silver. More classic than any recent Silver on an M car. Expected to be available on the M8 too.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by nick3753

What happened to "M-mirrors not being aerodynamic on the 2 series" excuse?

SCOTT26 can provide rational behind it just brace yourself

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Hockenheim Silver is more of a classic BMW Silver. Lighter in consistency than Pure Metal Silver. More classic than any recent Silver on an M car. Expected to be available on the M8 too.

yawn...

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

my 1M has " M mirrors" and it is one of the highest Coefficients of drag for modern BMWs. it's about as aerodynamic as a brick.. but its got those cool DUMBO (oops " M mirrors )

Heck the X1 probably has a better Cd than the M2. EDIT - Oh wait.. it does !

http://autotk.com/dimensions/bmw/x1/2016/

2016 BMW X1 coefiicient of drag 0.29

2016 BMW M2 Coefifficent of drag 0.35

So.. I am confident that BMW is CORRECT.. that " M Mirrors" will likely increase drag.
However.. there's no accounting for TASTE.. So there you go! Forget performance.. it's all about STYLE.

I highly doubt the reason for the 1M having a worse drag coefficient is solely because of the mirrors.

I also highly doubt BMW would put mirrors with worse aero on their M cars... E36 M, E9x M, F8x all have the double prong.

Correlation is not causation.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

I highly doubt the reason for the 1M having a worse drag coefficient is solely because of the mirrors.

I also highly doubt BMW would put mirrors with worse aero on their M cars... E36 M, E9x M, F8x all have the double prong.

Correlation is not causation.

LOL ALL the " M trappings " make the CD worse.

The side skirts.. the mirrors.. the bumper cover.. IT ALL is a part of it.

BMW is the one that stated the reason for not having the mirrors.

Sorry you don't believe ME repeating what THEY said about their vehicle.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

SCOTT26 can provide rational behind it just brace yourself

For the record: excerpt from a BMWBlog interview with M2 designer Al-Attar, tackling the M mirrors versus M235i mirrors topic too:

«We asked Al-Attar about some of the more controversial styling cues of the M2, as well, like the controversial issue with the lack of M mirrors. The M2 mirrors are pulled straight from the M235i while fans wanted the same mirrors from its bigger M brothers.
Al-Attar says that the team noticed during aerodynamics testing that the M mirrors actually fared worse than the M235i’s on the M2. This is likely due to the higher body of the M2 over the M3 or M4. So the M235i mirrors stayed because they offered superior aerodynamics.
The other reason for the lack of M mirrors is the need to differentiate between the M2 and the M4. “What we tried to do with the car is to keep a respectable distance from the M4; the car is very sporty, very fun to drive, but we wanted to keep the distance in positioning the car in the market,” Al-Attar mentioned."»

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

LOL ALL the " M trappings " make the CD worse.

The side skirts.. the mirrors.. the bumper cover.. IT ALL is a part of it.

BMW is the one that stated the reason for not having the mirrors.

Sorry you don't believe ME repeating what THEY said about their vehicle.

I'd love to read it, link?

This shows otherwise. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402401

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

I'd love to read it, link?

This shows otherwise. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402401

it was an audio presentation about the car.. done back in 2016. It's among these forums..

Drag coefiicients for most BMW models are printed right on the media info.. so you can check 228 vs M235/M240 vs M2 easily too see that CD increases.
Power increases dramatically.. which overcomes the higher Cd in the wild.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

SCOTT26 can provide rational behind it just brace yourself

Specially developed for the CS. And another forthcoming M model(s)

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

it was an audio presentation about the car.. done back in 2016.

I see the drag is higher on M3 but it generates much less lift in my link. So there are definitely reasons behind the designs of M cars other than looks.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Specially developed for the CS. And another forthcoming M model(s)

waiting for akkando to correct you and call it a Cs

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

I see the drag is higher on M3 but it generates much less lift in my link. So there are definitely reasons behind the designs of M cars other than looks.

Agree! but when the manufacturer says.. we didn't do M Mirrors on this car # CAUSE HIGHER Cd and then customers still WANT them... ?
then at that point.. for the CUSTOMER.. it's all about the STYLE RIGHT? See where this train is coming from?

As it is.. this next iteration WILL have more M POWAH.. so..

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by emdeuce_zl9

Idunno... Im not buying in on the idea that bmw spent more money just to make a front end slightly slightly different for a car that is niche and in low production. The picture quality is horrible and could have been taken with a cheap camera with a weird fish eye lens. Or even one of those "secret spy pens" with a camera taken at a weird angle.

If bmw did in fact change it up, then I'm anxious to see the end result.

The ///M style mirror however.... I really hope they came through with that.

What is your proof otherwise? Look at the pic vs the reg M2. You can even see M mirrors on the supposed M2 Comp.

[emdeuce]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

What is your proof otherwise? Look at the pic vs the reg M2. You can even see M mirrors on the supposed M2 Comp.

Not trying to prove anything. I also noted the M mirrors in my last post. Like Previously stated, would be interested to see if they they change the front end

[Mr Carrots]

Is it possible that BMW will use new DME encryption on the S55 in this to keep it crippled?

I'm highly tempted to sell mine for this, but not unless it can be tuned to M3/4 levels of performance

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by emdeuce_zl9

Not trying to prove anything. I also noted the M mirrors in my last post. Like Previously stated, would be interested to see if they they change the front end

Looks like they did, look at the lower part of the front spoiler of both. And placement of the tow hook covers

[stefan]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

it's never stopped being true.....

Prove it. No really. The difference is likely negligible if not better on M mirrors.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

Is it possible that BMW will use new DME encryption on the S55 in this to keep it crippled?

I'm highly tempted to sell mine for this, but not unless it can be tuned to M3/4 levels of performance

do a motor swap.

[Mr Carrots]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

do a motor swap.

LOL, BMW just did one for me as my engine died at 7k miles.

Should have asked them to put a S55 in there instead

[SW19]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Looks like they did, look at the lower part of the front spoiler of both. And placement of the tow hook covers

I agree,why would anyone think they haven’t drastically changed the design of the kidney grilles and front bumper.They are both a totally different shape and according to Gatte who posted the picture the kidneys are attached in the middle like the new M5.

Originally Posted by Gatte

You have seen the grille when it was on this thread.
The 2 kidneys look attached in the center and are gloss black in the center. The 3 slats in the bottom are similar to the ones from the PS4 GranTurismo concept except the 2 slats on either side of the center slat are slightly smaller than the center slat.

There are 5 vertical gills per kidney. The whole grille is gloss black.


There is no CF roof. At least not one that is unpainted like in the M3/M4.


Sorry, no power bump. Already said so earlier.