[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by M2zcp

I'm worried it just photographs poorly and it looks good in person lol. Or you know, it looks worse in person. I guess that's possible too. I posted this same thread on the G87 forum and everyone is in love with the car. I don't get it. A few people even said the G87 is better looking than the F87.

What don’t you get? You posted this on the G87 board so of course people in that thread are going to like it more than the F87 just like everyone in this thread likes the F87 more, what did you expect lol.

As far as how it looks in person vs irl, I’m definitely one that feels the F87 looks better irl than it does in pics. I personally don’t think the F87 is very photogenic but I do think it looks much better irl. Many people in the G87 forum who have seen it irl have commented it looks far better irl than it does in pics . And as a current G42 M240 owner, I would agree because I was underwhelmed when I saw the G42 in pics but pleasantly surprised at how better it looks irl.

Subjective styling aside, it has better performance, a better cabin and better tech. My biggest gripe about the G87 is the lack of nice colors (always an M2 problem), the weight and the giant interior screen but it would be hard for me to turn one down offered at 2K below MSRP.

[BallHog5873]

just go for the 911, that's what you'll eventually want anyway

[IcewaterPete]

Hard for pass. Don’t fall into the “it’s easy” trap. If you want a F87 or 911 then put the time in and search for a good one.

[zcp]

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

What don’t you get? You posted this on the G87 board so of course people in that thread are going to like it more than the F87 just like everyone in this thread likes the F87 more, what did you expect lol.

As far as how it looks in person vs irl, I’m definitely one that feels the F87 looks better irl than it does in pics. I personally don’t think the F87 is very photogenic but I do think it looks much better irl. Many people in the G87 forum who have seen it irl have commented it looks far better irl than it does in pics . And as a current G42 M240 owner, I would agree because I was underwhelmed when I saw the G42 in pics but pleasantly surprised at how better it looks irl.

Subjective styling aside, it has better performance, a better cabin and better tech. My biggest gripe about the G87 is the lack of nice colors (always an M2 problem), the weight and the giant interior screen but it would be hard for me to turn one down offered at 2K below MSRP.

I definitely didn’t mean for it to be that type of post. How I saw it as a former F87 owner, people will upgrade from their F87 if they like the G87 enough. That doesn’t mean someone likes one car better than the other. I can appreciate cars without having them compete with one another.

I definitely agree with you on the G42. There’s a local M230i in BG, not even an M240i, and it looks pretty awesome. Same with the G80. In the right spec, it has a ton of road presence. I don’t mind it as much as I did before. I just don’t want to spend that much on a larger car. I like smaller cars, which most of us do haha.

I think I’m going to take it for the sole reason, I can most likely sell it with minimal loss if I don’t like it. But it’s a nice spec, so this is the one I’d want. Thanks for the insight!

[zcp]

Originally Posted by BallHog5873

just go for the 911, that's what you'll eventually want anyway

911s aren’t going anywhere, and prices are still coming down. It’s much slower than other cars though. I’d want a manual 991.1 C2S or 991.2 C2 and there’s literally none right now. I’d find one eventually. I was offered a 2024 Cayman GTS 4.0 allocation with a $4k ADM and $1295 pre-paid maintenance (required for the allocation). But that makes the car almost $97k with zero additional options. Doesn’t make sense for me right now, especially with the 6 month wait.

[zcp]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Hard for pass. Don’t fall into the “it’s easy” trap. If you want a F87 or 911 then put the time in and search for a good one.

Read my last comment, but to add to that, I could go buy back my 2021 Comp for $61k. It’s listed on the forum right now. Ohlin’s, Remus exhaust, etc. That’s a very small gap though, and I would say buying the G87 is less easy. I had to go to this dealership twice. Once to sign paperwork in person and then 2 weeks later after they register the car. But you do weird things for good deals lol.

[skinnyroots]

If you don't already have a car that serves that purpose in your stable, then I'd go for it. The looks are definitely divisive, but it's about so much more than that. And ultimately, it's your car.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by M2zcp

911s aren’t going anywhere, and prices are still coming down. It’s much slower than other cars though. I’d want a manual 991.1 C2S or 991.2 C2 and there’s literally none right now. I’d find one eventually. I was offered a 2024 Cayman GTS 4.0 allocation with a $4k ADM and $1295 pre-paid maintenance (required for the allocation). But that makes the car almost $97k with zero additional options. Doesn’t make sense for me right now, especially with the 6 month wait.

My end game will eventually be a 992.2 GTS, plan is to enjoy the G87 for a few years and then get a 992.2 w/ a MT when it comes out. Apparently it’s going to have a NA engine so it’ll be like a GT3 lite but better for daily driving. Love the 718 GT4 though, just wish the next generation wasn’t going full electrified.

[medphysdave]

I'd hold out and see if the used market tanks in the next 6mo and buy a used 911S

[ChiTownM]

I would buy it. I also am in the hunt for a 911 GT product. With proposed discount the downside of this deal seems small.

[blackout23]

Interesting that a dealer is already willing to offer a discount on a brand new G87 M2. Of course folks on this board will have an unnatural bias towards hating it, but this could portend that the broader demand for it isn't that strong.

Personally, I like it- but I'd have to drive it to get a sense for how much better it is over the F87 comp, which IMO does look far better. It will come down to whether the M division succeeded in making the car "feel small"; because let's not lie to ourselves, the F87 is not a lightweight car. My thoughts are if the G87 can maintain the signature "tossable" feel of the M2, it will be a winner. The macroeconomic climate could factor into overall sales success too... anyway, I feel like the G87 isn't as divisive as this particular forum would lead you to believe, and most folks who aren't personally invested in its predecessor likely agree that it looks pretty great.

I'm also very curious what the future of the G87 will do to F87 M2 CS sales. Personally I think it's ridiculously overpriced but I do still want one, just not at or near $100k when an F87 M2C and/or G87 M2 can be had for almost half that.

Originally Posted by M2zcp

911s aren’t going anywhere, and prices are still coming down. It’s much slower than other cars though. I’d want a manual 991.1 C2S or 991.2 C2 and there’s literally none right now. I’d find one eventually. I was offered a 2024 Cayman GTS 4.0 allocation with a $4k ADM and $1295 pre-paid maintenance (required for the allocation). But that makes the car almost $97k with zero additional options. Doesn’t make sense for me right now, especially with the 6 month wait.

You'll probably get tired of a 991.1 quickly. The manual trans in those cars is not up to Porsche standards, nor is the steering. And as you mention it is slow.

The 991.2 fixes all of that, and as someone already mentioned, prices are continuing to deteriorate. I know spring weather may give sports car sales a boost, but right now they're about at mid-2020 levels for pricing. Unless you want a targa. Any 991.2 manual will probably be your best bet.

Also I recognize that 2024 GTS 4.0 deal from Rennlist. Don't stretch for a car at the top of your budget with an ADM attached. Not when you can go used for far less... and then it's 718 GTS 4.0 vs 991.2 at around the $100k mark. That's a tough call, try to drive both, one should stand out. The GTS 4.0 gets my vote but only because it's newer. I've owned both, for reference.

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

My end game will eventually be a 992.2 GTS, plan is to enjoy the G87 for a few years and then get a 992.2 w/ a MT when it comes out. Apparently it’s going to have a NA engine so it’ll be like a GT3 lite but better for daily driving. Love the 718 GT4 though, just wish the next generation wasn’t going full electrified.

I wouldn't put any stock at all in Porsche rumors right now. They're all over the place. Spyder RS, electric Macan, electric mid-engine cars, GT4/Spyder no longer available, etc. etc. My guess is the 992.2 will probably have a variant with the 4.0 N/A engine but it won't be the GTS, and DEFINITELY not a "GT3 lite"; more like a naturally aspirated take on the 911T. There's only so much they can do with an N/A engine before it starts to rival the GT engines, they already have the 4.0 designed and produced, and it makes more power than the base Carrera so that's very likely how that will manifest, if it does at all. In any case, demand will likely be insane so better get in line now- and expect to pay a hefty ADM, even after Porsche's already-announced price hike.

But I know as much as anyone right now... which is to say, not enough to stake a future purchase on.

[qnet]

Leaving out my personel opinions on the car, I'd say go for it, if you like it. Seems like a good deal for a new M car.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by M2zcp

Well, now it’s $2k under sticker lol.

I sold cars for a number of years, yet in 2018 I still made the mistake of buying a price instead of a car. I wanted an '18 M2, but as I had said, no dealer near me was willing to discount the car to my liking, so I purchased an '18 Lexus IS350FSport for a song. It was the wrong car. I kept it a year, and traded it on a lightly used OG M2 and have been happy ever since. I bought the Lexus so right that I was able to come out of it money ahead after having it for just 1 year, yet it was still the wrong car. The reason I tell you this is because it's easy to fall into the money trap, but I suggest you take a long look at the car in the flesh, drive it, and make up your mind based on that instead of what other people might think of it.

[BadgerDog]

Originally Posted by M2zcp

I'm worried it just photographs poorly and it looks good in person lol. Or you know, it looks worse in person. I guess that's possible too. I posted this same thread on the G87 forum and everyone is in love with the car. I don't get it. A few people even said the G87 is better looking than the F87.

I mean, everyone has their own taste for sure, but wtf?

[JMcLellan]

So is the OP going for it and getting this M2? Not much of a wait and $2K under sticker seems like a no brainer.

I have my name on 2 waiting lists here at a couple Minneapolis dealers. One list there are 15 in line, the other list there are 25 in line. With where I'm at on the lists I'd say I'm at least a year out and hoping there aren't going to be additional fees or markups at the dealer.

[MVista]

No. Zero interest, looks undesirable.

[IcewaterPete]

Originally Posted by M2zcp

. I like smaller cars, which most of us do haha!

Park a 992 next to a C7 and tell me it’s a small car.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by M2zcp

A few people even said the G87 is better looking than the F87.

Jose Feliciano, Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder am I right?


Cheers
Robin

[D.Yooras]

I would buy that car for a few reasons:

1) First MY of a new car is usually not the best idea, BMWs are no exception
2) Time will tell whether this car catches on but as of right now, I would say it's not trending the right direction.
2.1) Prices of OG and Comp cars are not really dropping which isn't good news for the G87
2.2) It's a bold design which means it will either stick or flop. Like the E46 M3, that had the potential to flop but it was adopted as the definitive M car of that era (established a few permanent style cues too). Based on the interwebs, the trend line is already pointing towards flop, add that to dealer pricing and it's not looking good
3) It's a German car...made in Mexico. Nothing against the assembly side of things, but that usually means the parts are built there too and that is almost more important than the actual assembly. Lower quality parts led to headaches and poor resale value.

My advice, if you want another M car get an F87 and let the "other guys" take up the mantle of being beta testers for this new "bold" M2. Wait a year or two with something you already know you like and see if the upgrade is worth it. An F87 isn't going to drop in value anytime soon, or at least not rapidly.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M2zcp

911s aren’t going anywhere, and prices are still coming down. It’s much slower than other cars though. I’d want a manual 991.1 C2S or 991.2 C2 and there’s literally none right now. I’d find one eventually. I was offered a 2024 Cayman GTS 4.0 allocation with a $4k ADM and $1295 pre-paid maintenance (required for the allocation). But that makes the car almost $97k with zero additional options. Doesn’t make sense for me right now, especially with the 6 month wait.

What are your priorities in the next car you get? If you start there, it will be much easier to decide.

We currently have an OG M2 and 718 Spyder in the garage. They are both fun and amazing cars...and could not be more different, in terms of power delivery, steering feel, and how the car responds to different situations.

Have you ever driven a 991? Or a 981? I ask because I was shocked in 2014 (when I got my first 981 CS) at the differences in overall size and feel. The 911 feels tail-heavy, while the Cayman / Boxster feel very neutral. Stuff like that becomes much more obvious once you're in the seat.

With respect to tech, that's a never ending chase in my opinion. There's always going to be the "next" great thing on that front, no matter what. Both of my 981s, for example, were less than ideal when thinking about the tech, but I hardly ever listened to the radio in those cars. The stock exhaust is that good.

I bring up that example to hopefully provide some perspective and other areas of consideration for you. Once I drove the P car, I stopped comparing potential purchases between those options and the "closest" BMW. It's not that one is better than the other - they're just very different.

Cheers...

[blackout23]

It's still interesting to me to see this phenomenon happen every single time an all-new model is unveiled. People are so quick to share their opinion- and usually the loudest are the ones with the model that's being replaced.

I also like the F87 aesthetics more than the G87. That's a subjective take, and honestly one based on not enough data. How many here posting have seen the car in person? Spend a few thought cycles on that. How can you really know if you like the car or not if you literally have never laid eyes on it?

Also, I've noticed there are many, many FK9 Civic Type R owners saying they don't like the FL5. To me, that's a ridiculous take. But it's happening. People REALLY don't like their worldview being challenged. You see it everywhere... and as car enthusiasts, it's safe to say one's identity is somewhat wrapped up in the car they choose to drive. When a new model comes along this can invoke some strong emotions.

Not really having a dog in this fight, I can honestly say the G87 has grown on me. I didn't like it when I first saw it; I attribute that to allowing my eyes to adjust. I can also very honestly say I thought the same of the G8x M3/4. It's still not as attractive to me as the F8x, but I can't sit here and say the car is ugly anymore. I know many still do but they're becoming harder to find now that the car is out in the wild and it's not "new and shocking" anymore.

It's far too early to even begin to try to project if the car is going to "flop" or not. Dealer prices, people bitching online, none of that is a valid indicator because there's too many variables. The review embargo will lift in a few weeks and only then can anyone start to wrap their minds around how desirable or undesirable the car will be.

The last opinion I'd expect to not hold bias is anyone with an F87.

...all that being said the Mexico part does scare me.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by blackout23

It's still interesting to me to see this phenomenon happen every single time an all-new model is unveiled. People are so quick to share their opinion- and usually the loudest are the ones with the model that's being replaced.

I also like the F87 aesthetics more than the G87. That's a subjective take, and honestly one based on not enough data. How many here posting have seen the car in person? Spend a few thought cycles on that. How can you really know if you like the car or not if you literally have never laid eyes on it?

Also, I've noticed there are many, many FK9 Civic Type R owners saying they don't like the FL5. To me, that's a ridiculous take. But it's happening. People REALLY don't like their worldview being challenged. You see it everywhere... and as car enthusiasts, it's safe to say one's identity is somewhat wrapped up in the car they choose to drive. When a new model comes along this can invoke some strong emotions.

Not really having a dog in this fight, I can honestly say the G87 has grown on me. I didn't like it when I first saw it; I attribute that to allowing my eyes to adjust. I can also very honestly say I thought the same of the G8x M3/4. It's still not as attractive to me as the F8x, but I can't sit here and say the car is ugly anymore. I know many still do but they're becoming harder to find now that the car is out in the wild and it's not "new and shocking" anymore.

It's far too early to even begin to try to project if the car is going to "flop" or not. Dealer prices, people bitching online, none of that is a valid indicator because there's too many variables. The review embargo will lift in a few weeks and only then can anyone start to wrap their minds around how desirable or undesirable the car will be.

The last opinion I'd expect to not hold bias is anyone with an F87.

...all that being said the Mexico part does scare me.

So much here to unpack because your holier-than-thou-colored glasses seem to be permanently glued to your face.

Aesthetics are subjective, but majority rules, the G everything is ugly.

Civic, worldview? Please don't continue this line. It's a Civic.

I'm glad the G has grown on you, count yourself among the lucky few that can appreciate the car for more than its aesthetics. But just so we're clear, that has never been an M-Car trait. Ugly can go home, he's drunk at ///M.

The G has already flopped, and will be hated-on ruthlessly as it ages even worse. No worries for BMW though, thanks to their ridiculously strong brand image, demographic (I must have the newest thing), and requisite increased performance it'll sell, and more power to them.