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      12-19-2019, 07:14 AM   #45
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Attempting to put in an order on an m2c for euro delivery. BMW of Seattle wont go below MSRP, and told me they are “Doing me a favor” by doing a euro delivery, so I walked.
BMW of Bellevue said they’d do a euro, trying there next...
I got a similar response from a couple of Chicagoland dealers that were recommended to me for ED and I walked as well. It turned out the dealer I least expected, my local dealer, was more than happy to give me ED and ED MSRP as well.......this was in Feb 2019 when M2C hadn't quite cooled off like it did over the summer. I think the local dealer had just taken an M2C allocation in exchange for an M5C they had sitting on the lot forever. There may have been additional circumstances that made them so amenable to ED. I guess my point is......keep shopping around and keep asking like Scout said.
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Same boat. Talked to Seattle last week and they wont even want to do ED and offer an sort of discount.
Kuni offer 1k over invoice to up coming built, so its a no brainer.
BMW Bellevue's sales been always idiots, didn't border reach out.

Keep us posted who you go with!
So Seattle, Bellevue, BMW Northwest, Kuni, etc all were willing to ED, but just at MSRP...

Finally after one of the standard GM e-mail spams hit my inbox from Bellevue, I respectfully laid out where I'm at- how I've decided on the order, and am just attempting to find the correct deal. the GM at bellevue (who appears to be different than the GM that e-mailed me last time I inquired 3 months ago) said they would do 2% discount on top of euro delivery pricing! Woo!
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Thank you for the insight sir!

I am seeing inventory really climb a lot on these cars, and were one year away from the end of the m2c, so I have some hope... but if the other dealerships I am reaching out to don't budge, I probably end up doing the ED MSRP deal. :/
Same boat. Talked to Seattle last week and they wont even want to do ED and offer an sort of discount.
Kuni offer 1k over invoice to up coming built, so its a no brainer.
BMW Bellevue's sales been always idiots, didn't border reach out.

Keep us posted who you go with!
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You got 1k over invoice for ED? Who was your SA?
Sorry 1k over invoice for normal delivery, not ED. Price point about the same though.
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My dealer did the 5% off MSRP for ED. Other options at MSRP (Carbon Black, Executive Package and Destination charge) were at MSRP. May allocation for him and my delivery. That's on the BMW website for pricing so any dealer asking more than that is not doing you a favor.
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I just picked up few days back brand New
2020 M2C Hokenhiem Silver
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for 9% off msrp (includes $500 fleet). They had 1 in lot for 2 months and they gave me excellent year end deal.

MSRP: $64,790
Selling Price: $59,000
Rebate (fleet): $500

Final Selling Price: $58,500

+$280 doc fee
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2.99% bmw rate for 5 years
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I just picked up few days back brand New
2020 M2C Hokenhiem Silver
DCT
executive package
for 9% off msrp (includes $500 fleet). They had 1 in lot for 2 months and they gave me excellent year end deal.

MSRP: $64,790
Selling Price: $59,000
Rebate (fleet): $500

Final Selling Price: $58,500

+$280 doc fee
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2.99% bmw rate for 5 years
That is an amazing price. Congrats!
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Greetings, salutations and felicitations, Gents.

I'm an ex-e46 M3 owner, but have been out of the BMW game for a fair few years (unless you count an R1200 GS in the stable) and have decided to take the plunge on a 2020 M2C after seeing one at the Seattle auto show and then test driving one in Denver.

I'm looking for a sanity check from people who know a whole lot more than I do about recent BMW pricing.

Here's what I have to date for a special order as there's nothing exactly like what I want in the local area:

2020 6MT M2 Competition Coupe (202S): $58,900
Sunset Orange Metallic (P0C1X): $550
Bicolor wheels (S02QT): N/C
Black w/ orange stitching (FMDOE): N/C
CF interior (S04MC): N/C
Destination & Handling: $995
TOTAL MSRP: $60,445.

European Delivery:
$55,995, plus $550 for paint and $995 for Destination & handling.
TOTAL ED: $57,540 (roughly $3k below US MSRP).

Best dealer price to date:
Above MSRP price less 5% and minus $500 discount through company discount.
TOTAL: $56,922.75

I'm still waiting for a few other dealers to respond (and since it's Christmas week, there's obviously going to be a delay), but am I in the ballpark? From what I've read recently, this seems to be a pretty good price, but a few extra sets of eyes don't hurt.

Thanks in advance, and Merry Christmas to all!

R.

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Greetings, salutations and felicitations, Gents.

I'm an ex-e46 M3 owner, but have been out of the BMW game for a fair few years (unless you count an R1200 GS in the stable) and have decided to take the plunge on a 2020 M2C after seeing one at the Seattle auto show and then test driving one in Denver.

I'm looking for a sanity check from people who know a whole lot more than I do about recent BMW pricing.

Here's what I have to date for a special order as there's nothing exactly like what I want in the local area:

2020 6MT M2 Competition Coupe (202S): $58,900
Sunset Orange Metallic (P0C1X): $550
Bicolor wheels (S02QT): N/C
Black w/ orange stitching (FMDOE): N/C
CF interior (S04MC): N/C
Destination & Handling: $995
TOTAL MSRP: $60,445.

European Delivery:
$55,995, plus $550 for paint and $995 for Destination & handling.
TOTAL ED: $57,540 (roughly $3k below US MSRP).

Best dealer price to date:
Above MSRP price less 5% and minus $500 discount through company discount.
TOTAL: $56,922.75

I'm still waiting for a few other dealers to respond (and since it's Christmas week, there's obviously going to be a delay), but am I in the ballpark? From what I've read recently, this seems to be a pretty good price, but a few extra sets of eyes don't hurt.

Thanks in advance, and Merry Christmas to all!

R.
About right, dealers seems to be able to do around 5-6% off MSRP.

I saw that Sunset Orange at Seattle Auto Show as well, sick carbon parts! Especially the hood!
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If I'm planning to do ED, would it be wise to negotiate ED pricing and regular pricing at the same time? Or would it be beneficial to negotiate regular pricing first and then using that to drive the ED pricing down?
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If I'm planning to do ED, would it be wise to negotiate ED pricing and regular pricing at the same time? Or would it be beneficial to negotiate regular pricing first and then using that to drive the ED pricing down?
That's a good question. If I buy an m2c I intend to do euro delivery.
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If I'm planning to do ED, would it be wise to negotiate ED pricing and regular pricing at the same time? Or would it be beneficial to negotiate regular pricing first and then using that to drive the ED pricing down?
negotiate ED pricing from the start. That's because there's different incentives and profit margins on ED. I've heard some say it reduces their count of used allocation when they move an allocation to ED, which might put future numbers at risk, also heard others say they don't get the regional incentives on ED cars, etc etc.

Basically just find the exact build you want, take the build number and e-mail it to all of your region's dealerships saying you want to do ED, what's the pricing? The starting point should be ED MSRP, which you can find listed on the BMW euro delivery website.
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If I'm planning to do ED, would it be wise to negotiate ED pricing and regular pricing at the same time? Or would it be beneficial to negotiate regular pricing first and then using that to drive the ED pricing down?
negotiate ED pricing from the start. That's because there's different incentives and profit margins on ED. I've heard some say it reduces their count of used allocation when they move an allocation to ED, which might put future numbers at risk, also heard others say they don't get the regional incentives on ED cars, etc etc.

Basically just find the exact build you want, take the build number and e-mail it to all of your region's dealerships saying you want to do ED, what's the pricing? The starting point should be ED MSRP, which you can find listed on the BMW euro delivery website.
Those two things you "heard" I can confirm as true having done multiple EDs, seen the bulletins for the incentives that excludes ED cars, and being very close to two GMs at two different dealers (in addition to all the people who I have helped do an ED who face the same).
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Those two things you "heard" I can confirm as true having done multiple EDs, seen the bulletins for the incentives that excludes ED cars, and being very close to two GMs at two different dealers (in addition to all the people who I have helped do an ED who face the same).
Thank you for the confirmation sir!

So this definitely supports the idea that negotiating based on the ED MSRP is the correct approach. While people are very sensitive of dealers jerking them around, we should also be careful to not do it back to them, as it probably doesnt create much goodwill when you're attempting to buy a car that they haveto spend extra effort on doing for you.
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Those two things you "heard" I can confirm as true having done multiple EDs, seen the bulletins for the incentives that excludes ED cars, and being very close to two GMs at two different dealers (in addition to all the people who I have helped do an ED who face the same).
Thank you for the confirmation sir!

So this definitely supports the idea that negotiating based on the ED MSRP is the correct approach. While people are very sensitive of dealers jerking them around, we should also be careful to not do it back to them, as it probably doesnt create much goodwill when you're attempting to buy a car that they haveto spend extra effort on doing for you.
For normal cars, I would start off ED invoice, but for M2C it's a bit hard.
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If I'm planning to do ED, would it be wise to negotiate ED pricing and regular pricing at the same time? Or would it be beneficial to negotiate regular pricing first and then using that to drive the ED pricing down?
negotiate ED pricing from the start. That's because there's different incentives and profit margins on ED. I've heard some say it reduces their count of used allocation when they move an allocation to ED, which might put future numbers at risk, also heard others say they don't get the regional incentives on ED cars, etc etc.

Basically just find the exact build you want, take the build number and e-mail it to all of your region's dealerships saying you want to do ED, what's the pricing? The starting point should be ED MSRP, which you can find listed on the BMW euro delivery website.
I'm consider between ED MSRP and the 5% off got ED. Are they not the same thing?
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Costco had the M2 Comp at $1050 over invoice or about $3k under msrp last month. Not sure if they still do. Check that program if you are a costco member and see if you can use it as leverage on price negotiation.
Hey what is this about Costco pricing? I've never heard of this program.. can you send me some info on it? I did an ED and PCD in 2019 on an M2C and I just bought (but can cancel my order) an X5

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If I'm planning to do ED, would it be wise to negotiate ED pricing and regular pricing at the same time? Or would it be beneficial to negotiate regular pricing first and then using that to drive the ED pricing down?
When I did my ED on my M2C I was told US promos were not able to be combined with an ED. I was told this by multiple dealerships of which I am an existing customer.

That said; my dealer did give me a small discount and I got the CCA rebate. Nothing to write home about but it came to about 7.5% off the car. The worst deal I've ever gotten, but I wanted the M2C
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What is Euro Delivery? I'm trying to look it up but i seem to fail to grasp the concept.
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What is Euro Delivery? I'm trying to look it up but i seem to fail to grasp the concept.
You would go to Munich to pick up your car. BMW allows you two weeks of insurance, so you can drive around Europe. Once done, you can drop it off at a designated drop off point for them to ship the vehicle back to your home country.
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You would go to Munich to pick up your car. BMW allows you two weeks of insurance, so you can drive around Europe. Once done, you can drop it off at a designated drop off point for them to ship the vehicle back to your home country.
Does it cost any extra to get it shipped back? Because that sounds like an awesome thing to do. 2 week vacation in Europe to drive around in your new M2C and then fly home with it at the end?
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You would go to Munich to pick up your car. BMW allows you two weeks of insurance, so you can drive around Europe. Once done, you can drop it off at a designated drop off point for them to ship the vehicle back to your home country.
Does it cost any extra to get it shipped back? Because that sounds like an awesome thing to do. 2 week vacation in Europe to drive around in your new M2C and then fly home with it at the end?
Nope all included! In addition, European delivery usually comes with a 5% discount from msrp
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