Chris Harris driving review of the M2 Competition

Robin_NL · 12-08-2018, 09:29 AM

And I almost forgot, we founded New York.

Cheers
Robin

Poochie · 12-08-2018, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin_NL

And I almost forgot, we founded New York.

Cheers
Robin

Wow, you know your history.. Bravo

Now back to the subject; Chris Harris is a poopy pants

lax01 · 12-08-2018, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NathObeaN

I love Chris and his reviews but he falls subject to the same failings as many other reviewers - making criticisms that contradict previous statements. For example, he stated that the old M2 simply wasn't up to snuff as a daily car that you can occasionally take to the track... really?

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Originally Posted by Montaver

Wasn't his best review, it's great at drifting but we knew that already. The whole M2 not fit for track didn't make sense at all. I suspect the M2 comp is so similar to the regular M2 its very difficult to come up with meaningful separation. I think if you drove them back to back there would be very little in it.
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Just echoing some disappointment in his statement...just didn't track with his previous statements and I just don't see how the M2C is THAT much different than the OG M2 (especially with the additional weight). Sure maybe the seats and brakes assist on track...but the car is just NOT that much different to make that distinction.

OGM2C · 12-08-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lax01

Just echoing some disappointment in his statement...just didn't track with his previous statements and I just don't see how the M2C is THAT much different than the OG M2 (especially with the additional weight). Sure maybe the seats and brakes assist on track...but the car is just NOT that much different to make that distinction.

you mean other than:

significantly more powerful, larger power band, higher revving engine
significantly improved engine cooling
significantly larger brakes and brake ducts
significantly higher quality more supportive seats
significantly more front end rigidity
revised LSD, DSC and TCU software
redesigned front end

The penalty for this? 100-150lbs more weight? - I'll agree the portion of that new weight that is unsprung is not ideal but jeeze... honestly what more do you expect from the introduction of a slightly higher specification of a current generation car?

You guys sound like non-M2C owners in denial of the facts - OGM2 is awesome, M2C is an improved iteration! Try to accept it

lax01 · 12-08-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OGM2C

you mean other than:

significantly more powerful, larger power band, higher revving engine
significantly improved engine cooling
significantly larger brakes and brake ducts
significantly higher quality more supportive seats
significantly more front end rigidity
revised LSD, DSC and TCU software
redesigned front end

The penalty for this? 100-150lbs more weight? - I'll agree the portion of that new weight that is unsprung is not ideal but jeeze... honestly what more do you expect from the introduction of a slightly higher specification of a current generation car?

You guys sound like non-M2C owners in denial of the facts - OGM2 is awesome, M2C is an improved iteration! Try to accept it

Don't forget hideous wheels!

Better car on paper...sure. I'll give you that, for the reasons you listed. But how much more performance can an average driver pull from the M2C than the M2? Are we talking 5%? 10% at the outside?

I also hate the sound of the S55...and the complexity of that motor

Transfer · 12-08-2018, 02:39 PM

This is the first Harris vid that I actually thought was a waste of time. Surprisingly bad video for him and I'm a big fan.

chris719 · 12-08-2018, 02:56 PM

It wasn’t up to his old standards for sure. He’s too busy I think.

OGM2C · 12-08-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chris719

It wasn’t up to his old standards for sure. He’s too busy I think.

Yep, shame I've a ton of respect for him but I think some of the magic has been lost with the move to Top Gear. He's still a legend but Henry Catchpole is making moves to be the new go to independent reviewer.

What happened to Jethro Bovingdon? he was on form too (remember the 4 part m2 vs Cayman s vs TTRS series) until Motortrend picked him up.

Tag · 12-08-2018, 04:05 PM

He seemed to be in a hurry to wrap up the review, came across as being very curt at times. Must have had a McLaren to drive next.

ryem3 · 12-08-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OGM2C

you mean other than:

significantly more powerful, larger power band, higher revving engine
significantly improved engine cooling
significantly larger brakes and brake ducts
significantly higher quality more supportive seats
significantly more front end rigidity
revised LSD, DSC and TCU software
redesigned front end

The penalty for this? 100-150lbs more weight? - I'll agree the portion of that new weight that is unsprung is not ideal but jeeze... honestly what more do you expect from the introduction of a slightly higher specification of a current generation car?

You guys sound like non-M2C owners in denial of the facts - OGM2 is awesome, M2C is an improved iteration! Try to accept it

And you forgot:
Significantly improved electronic steering
Retuned suspension resulting in better ride quality
Adaptive LEDs available
Now available with a sunroof
Real M mirrors that don't seem to have any issues with wind noise

And the list goes on...

aerokubectl · 12-08-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lax01

Don't forget hideous wheels!

Better car on paper...sure. I'll give you that, for the reasons you listed. But how much more performance can an average driver pull from the M2C than the M2? Are we talking 5%? 10% at the outside?

I also hate the sound of the S55...and the complexity of that motor

What S55 complexity do you speak of? An extra turbo that you don't care about as a driver?

The sound on this car is spectacular...IDK what you've been reading.

Even though the HP numbers are 10% higher, the usable band is much better on the M2C vs the M2. Look at the Torque/RPM curves.

You make it sound like 10% more HP is no biggie but claim that 100lbs is the end of the world.

Doing it wrong.

My list:
- Finally a sunroof option
- Way better looking than the last gen
- Way better seats
- Steering is substantially better.
- Although at first I was skeptical, I"m now convinced the 788's are way better looking than the 437s.
- Better suspension setup.

KO7 · 12-08-2018, 05:16 PM

Several people have mentioned about the sunroof now.

Was the sunroof not available in some markets on the OG M2?

ryem3 · 12-08-2018, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KO7

Several people have mentioned about the sunroof now.

Was the sunroof not available in some markets on the OG M2?

Correct. Oddly, it was available in Canada, but not in the USA.

akkando · 12-08-2018, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ryem3

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Originally Posted by KO7

Several people have mentioned about the sunroof now.

Was the sunroof not available in some markets on the OG M2?

Correct. Oddly, it was available in Canada, but not in the USA.

It was for MY18 only.

Karmic Man · 12-08-2018, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lax01

Just echoing some disappointment in his statement...just didn't track with his previous statements and I just don't see how the M2C is THAT much different than the OG M2 (especially with the additional weight). Sure maybe the seats and brakes assist on track...but the car is just NOT that much different to make that distinction.

He talked about straight line acceleration as one main distinction between the two. You don't see it because you have never driven the two side by side going all out. Check this video out

Karmic Man · 12-08-2018, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lax01

Don't forget hideous wheels!

Better car on paper...sure. I'll give you that, for the reasons you listed. But how much more performance can an average driver pull from the M2C than the M2? Are we talking 5%? 10% at the outside?

I also hate the sound of the S55...and the complexity of that motor

LOL...with this rational, you better off in a 220i

I mean how much more performance can you pull from the M2 than the 220i on the street? You can still lose your license in it and it has much less complexity

mrspin · 12-09-2018, 12:58 AM

Why are people here saying the M2C has a better suspension setup? The parts are the same?

Robin_NL · 12-09-2018, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mrspin

Why are people here saying the M2C has a better suspension setup? The parts are the same?

I'm coming from an OG M2 and the M2C feels more planted less harsh/bumpy on B roads and the medieval streets we have here. Dunno what it is, but it feels different.

Cheers
Robin

grinch · 12-09-2018, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I'm coming from an OG M2 and the M2C feels more planted less harsh/bumpy on B roads and the medieval streets we have here. Dunno what it is, but it feels different.

Cheers
Robin

That's what my friends say about M2C compared to their OG M2. I want to check it

gavp · 12-09-2018, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mrspin

Why are people here saying the M2C has a better suspension setup? The parts are the same?

Added weight maybe?

Robin_NL · 12-09-2018, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gavp

Added weight maybe?

I think 50kgs is nothing* on an already >1500kg weighing car. You just don't feel it. M2C is turning in sharper than OG M2.

Cheers
Robin

*I'd better have it the other way around , 50kgs less off course but just saying....

Artemis · 12-09-2018, 03:37 AM

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He said Yobbo - it means a an unruly, rude loud youth

Let's keep "rascal" for the 1M.

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