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      07-15-2020, 11:19 AM   #2267
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Can you imagine Singapore price for the CS
Thai price on the CS could be even higher..

Regular M2C costs 6,299,000฿ in Thailand, which translates to $200k USD at current exchange prices. They have absolutely insane import markup on these sort of cars.
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      07-15-2020, 12:12 PM   #2268
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The question about the CCB is whether it's a good box to check because it's the only 2 series to ever have the option.

However, that could be quickly mitigated with the next 2 series. I'm still debating. It's so close to the C that it kinda needs all the help it can get. But 10% of car value seems like a bad way to spend money. Hopefully some off track driving reviews will come in to help with the choice. Seems like a lot of cars are getting equipped with CCB.

Down the road for resale I think it will be the cars without them that will be desirable. You can run regular discs but it won't be factory spec if it came equipped with CCB.
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The question about the CCB is whether it's a good box to check because it's the only 2 series to ever have the option.

However, that could be quickly mitigated with the next 2 series. I'm still debating. It's so close to the C that it kinda needs all the help it can get. But 10% of car value seems like a bad way to spend money. Hopefully some off track driving reviews will come in to help with the choice. Seems like a lot of cars are getting equipped with CCB.

Down the road for resale I think it will be the cars without them that will be desirable. You can run regular discs but it won't be factory spec if it came equipped with CCB.
From my informal following of M3 and M4 used market over the past few years, the takeaway is that for the most part, there is very little added value to CCB option on a used M3/M4 as you get further from its original sale date. Early on, definitely but 3 years down the road, it falls into the noise of pricing.

My only experience with CCBs was on an M4 ZCP at the Performance Center back at O'fest last Fall. They had the middle of the course setup for hot lapping the M4s, and they all had ZCP and CCBs (and DCT). The session had five cars at a time. My friend and I have decades of track, racing, instructing and autox experience, so once out with the three other drivers, we all ran these cars for everything they were worth. I was shocked how well the other three cars were doing until afterward when I talked to them and they all were/had been racers and/or instructors, lol. I came away very impressed with the M4 ZCP and the brakes were outstanding, simply superb in every way on track - initial modulation, total brake torque (on super, super hot brakes), no fade, nice release characteristics, etc.

As we ended our session, the cars were brought in and new drivers went out within maybe 3-4 minutes rest time for the cars. They went on like this all day long from 8-5pm with car substitution for tires as needed.

I expect the CCB on the M2 CS to be similarly fantastic (as long as you don't need them in 33F rainy weather maybe?).
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My take on the CCB from a value perspective is that it’s just not worth it at this time. In the not so distant future, I’m willing to bet that CCB will come standard on most or all ///M models.

Today, it’s a gimmick. Yes, I’d love to have CCB on a street car, but In the end, I just couldn’t justify spending $8k extra. To me, it’s not about the fact that the rotors will potentially last a very long time, but that I have to spend that kind of money upfront.

Even if I have to replace the steel rotors more often and spend more in the long run, I prefer that route in the short to medium term.
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My take on the CCB from a value perspective is that it’s just not worth it at this time. In the not so distant future, I’m willing to bet that CCB will come standard on most or all ///M models.

Today, it’s a gimmick. Yes, I’d love to have CCB on a street car, but In the end, I just couldn’t justify spending $8k extra. To me, it’s not about the fact that the rotors will potentially last a very long time, but that I have to spend that kind of money upfront.

Even if I have to replace the steel rotors more often and spend more in the long run, I prefer that route in the short to medium term.
If I was buying a new CS, I'm with you...no way I'd spend the extra money especially if I was going to track the car. Brake job DIYs are a simple and inexpensive task especially with FCPs lifetime free replacement warranty (iron rotors). Standard iron rotors, race pads with Ti shims, and you're good to go most likely for almost all track work.
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My take on the CCB from a value perspective is that it's just not worth it at this time. In the not so distant future, I'm willing to bet that CCB will come standard on most or all ///M models.

Today, it's a gimmick. Yes, I'd love to have CCB on a street car, but In the end, I just couldn't justify spending $8k extra. To me, it's not about the fact that the rotors will potentially last a very long time, but that I have to spend that kind of money upfront.

Even if I have to replace the steel rotors more often and spend more in the long run, I prefer that route in the short to medium term.
We all need to make our own value call.

Driving and washing two M cars weekly with both brake types I find $8k of value in the ease of keeping the CCB wheels clean and not dealing with the rusty steel rotors after each wash.
Also the CCB/763 combo feels more nimble than the steel/666 combo during daily driving.

Just my two cents - if my M2CS was going to the track then for certain 100% would get steels if no track use then would get CCBs. Plus red calipers seem a bit much tbh.
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@IB M would you share more about this.....

Also the CCB/763 combo feels more nimble than the steel/666 combo during daily driving

What's the weight difference between the two wheels. Trying to determine if it is CCB related or a lighter outer wheel.
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The only options for me will be Cup 2s and gold wheels. I HATE Pilot Super Sports, utter garbage tires.

I will not get CCBs. I've owned three GT3s and have never optioned one with PCCBs. All my cars go to the track and I am not going to spend the money necessary to replace PCCB rotors and don't like the limited selection of PCCB pads.
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We all need to make our own value call.

Driving and washing two M cars weekly with both brake types I find $8k of value in the ease of keeping the CCB wheels clean and not dealing with the rusty steel rotors after each wash.
Also the CCB/763 combo feels more nimble than the steel/666 combo during daily driving.

Just my two cents - if my M2CS was going to the track then for certain 100% would get steels if no track use then would get CCBs. Plus red calipers seem a bit much tbh.
I can understand and agree with everything, except the highlighted part.

Saying that CCB/763 feels more nimble than the steel/666 on the street is absurd IMO. Key words: on the street. I just don't understand how you could ever notice significant handling improvements in that area on a daily-driven car. And even if you did notice a tiny bit of difference, it would never matter in the slightest on a daily-driven car.

Yes, I understand the physics behind unsprung mass, lighter weight, etc. I owned several M3's with lighter wheels and brakes. It makes sense for the track where every little adjustment counts and you're into setting lap times. Otherwise, it reminds me of the because-race-car crowd who believes that no sunroof and cheap coilovers equate to a better-handling car on the street, when in fact it doesn't.
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the limited selection of PCCB pads.
This is also a major concern of mine. Not something I'm super familiar with, but has been in the back of my mind.
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We all need to make our own value call.

Driving and washing two M cars weekly with both brake types I find $8k of value in the ease of keeping the CCB wheels clean and not dealing with the rusty steel rotors after each wash.
Also the CCB/763 combo feels more nimble than the steel/666 combo during daily driving.

Just my two cents - if my M2CS was going to the track then for certain 100% would get steels if no track use then would get CCBs. Plus red calipers seem a bit much tbh.
I can understand and agree with everything, except the highlighted part.

Saying that CCB/763 feels more nimble than the steel/666 on the street is absurd IMO. Key words: on the street. I just don't understand how you could ever notice significant handling improvements in that area on a daily-driven car. And even if you did notice a tiny bit of difference, it would never matter in the slightest on a daily-driven car.

Yes, I understand the physics behind unsprung mass, lighter weight, etc. I owned several M3's with lighter wheels and brakes. It makes sense for the track where every little adjustment counts and you're into setting lap times. Otherwise, it reminds me of the because-race-car crowd who believes that no sunroof and cheap coilovers equate to a better-handling car on the street, when in fact it doesn't.
It's splitting hairs and it's hard to describe. Maybe "nimbleness" not the right word but it feels different ever so slightly over bumps, lane divider reflectors etc. as in lighter over and quicker to settle after those road imperfections. Maybe I'm just imagining it or maybe it's the overall CS vs ZCP package. Maybe its mostly 666 wheels vs 763 wheels. Curious if anyone else has driven both combos back to back.
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It's splitting hairs and it's hard to describe. Maybe "nimbleness" not the right word but it feels different ever so slightly over bumps, lane divider reflectors etc. as in lighter over and quicker to settle after those road imperfections. Maybe I'm just imagining it or maybe it's the overall CS vs ZCP package. Maybe its mostly 666 wheels vs 763 wheels. Curious if anyone else has driven both combos back to back.
I suspect that your experience is accurate for what one would expect with less unsprung mass.
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@IB M would you share more about this.....

Also the CCB/763 combo feels more nimble than the steel/666 combo during daily driving

What's the weight difference between the two wheels. Trying to determine if it is CCB related or a lighter outer wheel.
Based on info from this forum (wheel pics lifted from other threads) CCBs save about 12.5 lbs per corner. The 763 wheels with tires are about 5 lbs lighter per corner than the 666 wheels. That's about 17 - 18 lbs per corner or about 70 lbs less in my F80 case.

The 437 wheels on the OG M2 are lighter than the 666 wheels but still a couple lbs more than the 763s. I've heard the wheel and brake combo on the M2C is heavier as well but don't have those stats here.

So the wheels are a factor too but the CCBs at least in my case are almost 3/4 of the overall weight savings.
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Rough oldshcool redneck math is 3lbs of rotational mass is 1 wheel HP (obviously doesn't correlate to front wheels). Various threads on Vette forums can back this up, but that's a rule of thumb. There are still a ton of factors to consider.
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Weight savings at outer wheel and tire should have an impact on the feel of acceleration and what was described above as the suspension settling more quickly. Weight towards the hub is mostly going to be noticed in the feel of suspension settling.

What gross weight comparison does not show is the distribution of the weight across the entire wheel. Two wheels of same weight could impact handling differently.

Unfortunately that's not something we can easily identify. I'd be curious how those wheels have weight distributed
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It’s also on the BMW Canada website.Not sure why they have it listed as a MY20 and not a MY21.Looks like the Australian website doesn’t even list the model year.

https://configure.bmw.ca/en/configur...S9,S08TH,S0ZMA
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I'm unsure why they are clinging to MY20 with a death grip. I was informed that all will be MY20.
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