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      06-14-2020, 11:08 AM   #2091
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I bet that GTS on Cup2's would smack the CS ass on a couple of tests..

And in the same way the CS on PSS would be a hell of a handful..
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I did run cup2s on my M2, I know how much of a difference it can make on track.
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I did run cup2s on my M2, I know how much of a difference it can make on track.
Absolutely and the RE71R is even better than the cup2 for an outright timed lap (or of course autocross where it's much better) hence the reason I mentioned it before as a ringer. Then again, why stop there? Let's use a still DOT approved Hoosier A7 on the M2C for our lap record comparison with the M2 CS. If the CS on cup2 is going to be compared with an M2C on 10 year old design PSS, then this A7 vs cup2 is just as "valid."
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I did run cup2s on my M2, I know how much of a difference it can make on track.

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Not sure why everyone gets so 'ramped up' on a few tenths of a second here and there between different makes and models driven by professional drivers on a track . . . a venue the overwhelming majority of car owners will never sniff?

If you are genuinely interested in track times and the like, then you damn well ought to know the tires are a HUGE factor. I am not a tracker . . . but it does not mean I was never a tracker.

I do not care to what anyone compares the M2CS . . . it is going to be great. That is not and has never been in doubt. The starting point, however, should NOT be M2 CS versus Porsche, Mercedes, etc on a track, or otherwise. It should be a comparison to the M2C . . . with equivalent tires, of course, if the venue of choice is a track.

Did BMW really give the consumer a $25K upgrade in performance?

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Absolutely and the RE71R is even better than the cup2 for an outright timed lap (or of course autocross where it's much better) hence the reason I mentioned it before as a ringer. Then again, why stop there? Let's use a still DOT approved Hoosier A7 on the M2C for our lap record comparison with the M2 CS. If the CS on cup2 is going to be compared with an M2C on 10 year old design PSS, then this A7 vs cup2 is just as "valid."
And you can get them at Costco! What whaaat. Very nice to hear that the CS can be tamed with some tire pressure adjustment. Mild to wild can be dialed in. GTS on trofeo R would have laid the smack down. GTS is superior track car all day, every day. Let's not pay games. CS is badass for what it is. Still up in air on the CCB, im drawn to getting CCB and then a lightweight battery just to getting the lightest spec.
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Did BMW really give the consumer a $25K upgrade in performance?
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At the check-out counter: "Okay Sir, then that will be - wait, let me check this for you [looks at a document] - only $12,500 extra per 0.1 seconds officially faster for 0-62mph. On Cup2's of course. Do you pay with credit card or cash ?"
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Ah so much hate.

$25k is pretty good value for the overall package. I reckon it's a bargain! Just what I want.
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I bet that GTS on Cup2's would smack the CS ass on a couple of tests..

And in the same way the CS on PSS would be a hell of a handful..
Cayman GT4 is .8 quicker than CS on this track both on Cup 2s. So you'd think GTS and CS would be pretty close on same tyres being that GT4 is the track focussed version.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/di...-on-the-track/

Not that I care as the Cayman holds zero appeal to me. I'd probably take the AMG over it. And I don't really like the AMG much either.
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Why do you think there is such a hate around the M2 CS ? Also , we know the competition is a bargain , but it could be much more expensive , if the original M2 was still in production as well , the price difference would be bigger .
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Why do you think there is such a hate around the M2 CS ? Also , we know the competition is a bargain , but it could be much more expensive , if the original M2 was still in production as well , the price difference would be bigger .
You go to the baker and spot a shiny piece of bread commanding a 50% premium:
  • You: "Yo baker, wassup with that expensive nice piece over there ?"
  • Baker: "I used more egg wash to make it more shiny on the outside, removed an ingredient and added 10% more raisins on the inside: 45 instead of 41."
  • You: "But wait, 50% premium ?"
  • Baker: "As my dad used to say: «Son, limit supply and people crave for it»".
  • You: "Seriously, who buys this ?".
  • Baker: "Those willing to pay 50% extra for a rare shiny bread featuring 4 extra raisins".
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You go to the baker and spot a shiny piece of bread commanding a 50% premium:
  • You: "Yo baker, wassup with that expensive nice piece over there ?"
  • Baker: "I used more egg wash to make it more shiny on the outside, removed an ingredient and added 10% more raisins on the inside: 45 instead of 41."
  • You: "But wait, 50% premium ?"
  • Baker: "As my dad used to say: "Son, limit supply and people crave for it"".
  • You: "Seriously, who buys this ?".
  • Baker: "Those willing to pay 50% extra for a rare shiny bread featuring 4 extra raisins".
Is it 50% or i may paid less? Whatever the case , i consider the CS a bargain for what it is. Not many cars are alike nowadays !
For many , its THE GREAT RECIPE.

We can see some interesting facts here :

E46 M3 - 343hp Nurb laptime - 8:20 Price : $47000
E46 M3 CSL -355hp Nurb laptime - 7:50 Price : $110000 (wow thats more than 50% - no one argues ofc its a CSL not a CS)

F87 M2 - 365hp - Nurb laptime - 7:58 Price : $52000
F87 M2 - 405hp - Nurb laptime - 7:52 Price : $59000 (without M seats , without Competition wheels , without bigger brakes) you can still configure the Competition and the price would be similar to the CS , the question , would it be better? Is there is optional adaptive suspension , the same cf roof , ceramics , the hood , the seats , the center console , the wheels , the steering wheel , the front splitter ? I dont think any of this comes as an optional from the factory. Is it also limited supply? or just a competition package with wheels and an engine because of regulations.
F87 M2 CS - 444hp - Nurb laptime - 7:43* (some say not official but definetely close to that number) Price : $85000

What i want to say is that the gap is less from OG M2 to the M2 CS than the E46 M3 to the E46 M3 CSL, but is more difficult nowdays to make the gap bigger. Its still impressive tho ! So the reason why i compare to E46 with the F87 is because both have limited edition variants , and the E46 CSL is becoming a legend ! SO why not the F87 CS ? as the very first generation M2 top model - also with the manual gearbox - which wasn;t available on previous limited edition models as well .

We almost all know if the F87 M2 was still in production , and the M2 Competition was in production too , the Competition would have cost at least 10k more than the OG M2 , not 5k as it is now ! 10K - yes for a M engine , for M seats , M mirrors , M everything. and again at 10K it would be a bargain ! So at the end if the Competition price was 65-70k , would the CS be ''crazy'' expensive ? I don't think so .

All BMW M limited editions , have proven their values. And there is a market for the limited editions that doesn;t really think about 25K ... believe me. There have been some countries even auctioning the cars with priority (loyalty etc)

So , instead of arguing the whole time about how faster is the CS from a Competition or a M4 Competition , or from an AMG or a Cayman etc , we should take a moment to think , that this car is truly one of the last of its kind, but as always , people appreciate things most of the time in future , not in present. Whatever variant of the F87 platform you have , there are great cars , if they weren't , we wouldn't be discussing for years about them .

Enjoy your car as much as you can !
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The CS is a good M2 upgrade for people like myself who "only" have an OG M2 and are willing/able to pay for it. I can understand why Competition owners may want to wait for the G Series M2 to upgrade.

So are US allocations coming in July/August?
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Same here , OG before . I consider it as an upgrade , i even consider the competition as an upgrade from the OG only due to the engine, but skipped the competition for the CS.
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Why do you think there is such a hate around the M2 CS ? Also , we know the competition is a bargain , but it could be much more expensive , if the original M2 was still in production as well , the price difference would be bigger .
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Why do you think there is such a hate around the M2 CS ? Also , we know the competition is a bargain , but it could be much more expensive , if the original M2 was still in production as well , the price difference would be bigger .
You also have to consider different prices in the various markets.

The US have always been one of those markets where most cars (even if they're imported all the way from Germany!) are considerably cheaper than elsewhere.

Here in Germany a "naked" CS with zero options will cost you 107.000 USD incl taxes at today's exchange rate. That's just a bit too much considering alternatives in the same price bracket.

Having said that, I don't think there is any hate for the CS. I don't think any of the board member would turn one down for the right price..?!

For some, it's just BMW charging too much - while others don't care about the price at all. But we all love the car nevertheless..!
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Cayman GT4 is .8 quicker than CS on this track both on Cup 2s. So you'd think GTS and CS would be pretty close on same tyres being that GT4 is the track focussed version.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/di...-on-the-track/

Not that I care as the Cayman holds zero appeal to me. I'd probably take the AMG over it. And I don't really like the AMG much either.
Just wondering why you are not interested in a Cayman GT4? I may be interested in a GT4 if it gets the PDK.
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Just wondering why you are not interested in a Cayman GT4? I may be interested in a GT4 if it gets the PDK.
Rear seats, too long of gears for street fun, and a bit too track focused for my current needs was my set of reasons. CS was a better balance. When I replace my dedicated track car it'll be with a Cayman, likely GTS or GT4 in a couple years
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You go to the baker and spot a shiny piece of bread commanding a 50% premium:
  • You: "Yo baker, wassup with that expensive nice piece over there ?"
  • Baker: "I used more egg wash to make it more shiny on the outside, removed an ingredient and added 10% more raisins on the inside: 45 instead of 41."
  • You: "But wait, 50% premium ?"
  • Baker: "As my dad used to say: «Son, limit supply and people crave for it»".
  • You: "Seriously, who buys this ?".
  • Baker: "Those willing to pay 50% extra for a rare shiny bread featuring 4 extra raisins".

Well, of course this is an over simplification. However, if performance is the main objective then there is no reason to pay an extra 25k for the CS over a M2C. Then again, if you crave a factory installed CF roof along with other gingerbread and don't mind spending the money, why not? Many peeps have touted the adaptive suspension as a performance feature since it is being installed on the new M3/M4. It only takes one visit to the M4 forum to find out that many people that are after the best handling performance are dumping the adaptive suspension for coilovers.
I'm not knocking the CS. It's just logical thinking.
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The CS is a good M2 upgrade for people like myself who "only" have an OG M2 and are willing/able to pay for it. I can understand why Competition owners may want to wait for the G Series M2 to upgrade.

So are US allocations coming in July/August?
I agree. My OG M2 is now sold for a good price after 4 years and 37K km, not that much I agree. It was now the moment to sell or keep it until used up.
At the moment waiting for my CS expected for week32.
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Well, of course this is an over simplification. However, if performance is the main objective then there is no reason to pay an extra 25k for the CS over a M2C. Then again, if you crave a factory installed CF roof along with other gingerbread and don't mind spending the money, why not? Many peeps have touted the adaptive suspension as a performance feature since it is being installed on the new M3/M4. It only takes one visit to the M4 forum to find out that many people that are after the best handling performance are dumping the adaptive suspension for coilovers.
I'm not knocking the CS. It's just logical thinking.
I'm not stating a fact, but more asking if there wouldn't be truth to
Stock M2 suspension < M Adaptive < aftermarket

Point being that it's not that the adaptive isn't an upgrade, just that there is often an option above what you have that's better yet. Even within coilovers the range is huge between single and double adjustable and varying qualities and features.
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Yes, there are lots of levels of coilovers. Usually the serious track guys rip out the adaptive suspension and install some good coilovers.
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