[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by raysspl

If so, could we please get it with a backseat

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

No! This ain't your father's Oldsmobile!

Where is homey the clown, again ? He appeared on page 4 and is needed again. STAT

I will also take mine with a backseat. Remove the backseat then price it 20k higher than a GT4 = What's the point? Isn't BMW supposed to be a car that goes like stink at the track after dropping your kid off at the babysitter on the way?

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

Have you heard the new F8x ZCP in person?

The ZCP fixes what most people don't like about the stock non-competition S55.

I will soon. Someone in my garage just got one. The overrun is cool but the part I don't like is the tinny sound under acceleration. I would like to hear an S55 with a resonator. It seems like it could be leveled out kind of like the S54 rasp.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I will also take mine with a backseat. Remove the backseat then price it 20k higher than a GT4 = What's the point? Isn't BMW supposed to be a car that goes like stink at the track after dropping your kid off at the babysitter on the way?

The point? The point is to remove as much weight as possible. If you want to drop your kids off at the babysitter, buy an M3 sedan, or a regular M2.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

The point? The point is to remove as much weight as possible. If you want to drop your kids off at the babysitter, buy an M3 sedan, or a regular M2.

For sure. Back seats will be the first thing to go.

[SMOOTH26]

can it get the s65?

[bogeyman]

Glad i got my deposit in early Here's hoping it's a lot lighter (CSL) vs a lot more powerful (GTS) and if it were to look like the Vision GT6.... *drools uncontrollably*

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SMOOTH26

can it get the s65?

Sure,
Right after it gets an S14.

Or right after you pay for the motor swap

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Sure,
Right after it gets an S14.

Or right after you pay for the motor swap

I heard it was getting the S70/2...

[louielouie]

That's a lot of coin for a car with a crooked seat...

[Diver]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Won't be decades before the majority of cars will go electric with just 2 gears: 1 forward + 1 reverse (maybe an additional fast forward gear like in 80s arcade race games). No third pedal or paddles anymore. Just a couple of buttons/settings with modes for moods and different weather types.

By then, this whole 'MT versus DCT/auto' debate will only matter when buying an 'old' car.

Audi expects 30% of its production to be full electric by 2025.

[The Choosey begger]

Another rendering

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by anglo

Another rendering

Danke!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by anglo

Another rendering

[Glounk]

Originally Posted by anglo

Another rendering

Nice

[Diver]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Driving a DCT is always less involving **by definition*.

To say otherwise is preposterous. It's the raison detre for an automatic transmission, so that one doesn't have to do part of the work !

If one were Juggling items - when is juggling two items ever " more involving " than three ?

You may be able to focus better on the two items but clearly there is less involvement.

Being more focused on fewer tasks does not equal more involving

Perfect example of circular reasoning.

[Diver]

Originally Posted by kepler

Oh yes, crazy how some enthusiasts care about "subjective stuff like involvement." The next thing you know, they'll have varying interests in subjective stuff like exterior paint, interior trim, styling, and God knows what other nonsense! I'm one of those foolish drivers who still enjoys the engaging experience of a proper 6-speed. I guess I'm just not interested in a sports car with an automatic transmission where you only need one foot and one hand to drive it. I do enjoy other oxymorons, though. Jumbo shrimp are absolutely delicious.

I should have said made up stuff instead of subjective to block off this line of debate. So I guess Ferrari's and the other exotics bore you with their DCT transmissions. The only thing I know to call trying to drive flat out with a clutch pedal as compared to a DCT is distracted and slower.

[ClothSeats]

The Ferrari is not boring by any means...



...but it would be better with a stick.

[dammitcubs]

I think i would get this car if had a carbon fiber roof #keepmycurrentM2mileslow

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Diver

I should have said made up stuff instead of subjective to block off this line of debate. So I guess Ferrari's and the other exotics bore you with their DCT transmissions. The only thing I know to call trying to drive flat out with a clutch pedal as compared to a DCT is distracted and slower.

May be its slower but for many rolling the gear is more challenging and definitely more fun.

What are you going to do with your quicker times in a DCT car, anyway. Go and collect money prize or getting some sponsorships from someone?

Driving slightly faster because of the CPU managing the clutch and gears has nothing to do with being faster because of becoming a better driver.

[Diver]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

May be its slower but for many rolling the gear is more challenging and definitely more fun.

What are you going to do with your quicker times in a DCT car, anyway. Go and collect money prize or getting some sponsorships from someone?

Driving slightly faster because of the CPU managing the clutch and gears has nothing to do with being faster because of becoming a better driver.

Get a motorcycle and you will find out what involved really means. Then you can shift and throw your weight around in turns while making sure your boots don't drag on the track.

[Karmic Man]

Well, it is a different kind of involvement

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Well, it is a different kind of involvement

So is a DCT.