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For sure there has always been a certain 'value' proposition with M cars. Now they are experimenting with higher and higher pricing for doing tweaks. You could argue that the most beloved car company for many forum people, Porsche, does the same thing. Those tweaks are noticeable, in the same way a Cayman GTS feels different than a Cayman S... but are they worth the $? The CS formula is expensive, for sure. It's also stuff that you don't find in many paper competitors. How many cars for 84k have a CF hood and roof? The market has certainly spoken regarding the M3/4 CS. Badge envy is real. I don't find they were overpriced and have an M3 CS, but clearly most people did. I've always thought they should have a comp package as well as a 'comp comp package' which is what the CS brings to the table.
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718 GTS is M2 CS lever performance. Starts at $80k. Plenty of room to add $5-10k options and be in M2 CS price range. Discounts on 718 are readily available too. Then you have other regions like the UK, the M2 CS is within a couple £100 of the 718 GT4. 718 Spyder is actually less expensive.
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The CS formula is awesome when you look at how they've distinguished the M2 variety...CF roof, 763Ms standard, working vent on the hood, etc...it's just the price that holds me back. Like I said, I think the car will be brilliant, I just can't bring myself to spend that much on an M2 (my wife has an OG M2 in the garage, and my dad has one too), and I have a spot. My original estimate, way back when the CS was first rumored, was 85K. But I had hoped I would be wrong, and that BMW would have learned from the F80/82 CS pricing experiment. I was hoping for low to mid 70s, which I would gladly pay. PS - the M3CS is the best sounding S55...I have an F80 ZCP, so I would know.
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Hell, why not throw in a new GT500, or a Hellcat, since they're about the same price...? Well, because they're not the same, at all. |
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I'd predicted $85k. Was close.
These will be sitting around lots for a while at that price. There are plenty of M2Cs sitting around dealers now—-not exactly sure what BMW are expecting to happen here. They will be a decent buy in low $70k range. Cool car; but not at $80K+.
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Yup completely different situation from the M3/M4 CS. Leasing an M2 is pointless, lease numbers are terrible. 2018 inventory sat on dealer lots for ever and BMW still didn't adjust lease numbers.
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The rear seats are incredibly useful... IDK what you're talking about. My 6' tall self can easily get in the back and sit comfortably. The same cannot be said for my G35, where I would have to sit with my head sideways against the roof.
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+1 on the Cayman storage - I once moved my lady's entire wardrobe in my 981. Well, except her shoes.
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Regardless of the debate, comparison and sticker-shock here, I still believe the CS is priced below the competition and there are more than enough people out there that would snatch up the limited number of units..
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Really eager to see the M/T vs DCT take rate.
I see the M/T availablilty one of the only reasons why this could have any more success over the M4cs..
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If all of the standard features were options.. my rough math puts it at $5k over what it should be. I'm guessing that difference is the attempt to recoup R&D costs.
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I agree with this statement. I estimated a $5k exclusivity fee. If you can get one at MSRP, then I don't really understand all the squabbling. If it's a good buy at $75k, then what's another $10k in the grand scheme of things.
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