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At least in US-spec vehicles, unless the manufacture is approved an exemption, which is difficult to obtain. |
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12-16-2019, 06:53 PM | #796 | |||
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The back seat of an m2, by contrast, might be short on leg room, but they still look substantial and fine for children, smaller adults, or average sized adults for short trips. |
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12-16-2019, 07:18 PM | #800 |
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Easily a $100K car with dealer markup...
Is it worth it??
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Realistically speaking, these greedy stealers will sell this car $95k+ and someone will pay that price (a fool and his money). Not worth it if it’s a money car.
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12-16-2019, 07:31 PM | #802 |
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Not for everybody but they'll sell..
When I shopping for the original M2 in early 2016, some with just a few cosmetic mods was marked-up to $65,000 and they still couldn't keep them in the showroom. I don't see them having a problem moving a mere 500 units of an ultra M2s, even at 85k, considering the cult following it commenders. Some of you guys are underestimating it's offering based on the sticker price. To some folks, money ain't a thang when it comes to something they truly want.. |
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12-16-2019, 07:44 PM | #804 | |
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Here's one of many I found online in a 3-minute search that I would consider over a M2CS. Especially knowing that the major depreciation has already hit... https://www.porschenorthhouston.com/...CB2A99HS155047 |
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12-16-2019, 07:49 PM | #805 | ||
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"Initially it was rumored that 500 units will be developed for the US market, but we recently learned that the number will be lower than that. No official confirmation on the exact units figure but a ballpark mentioned between 350 and 400 units. There are around 2,200 units produced globally."
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That sucks, less than 500 makes it more scarce than the 1M, which was only allotted 740
US bound. However, it certainly wasn't the bargain the 1M was; even with today's money, factoring in inflation, the 1M would supposedly be priced at roughly $55,000 MSRP. So the M2 CS is 30k north of that.. #Baller https://westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi |
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If you're going to spend the money on a pcar, then at least get a fun color. It's interesting that the $25k price per performance difference doesn't apply when going to a 911. Is the performance gain of 911 worth another 20k ov the CS? Just mod your M2cs or wait to buy a used Cs after the massive depreciation.
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OMG, I was eating cheesecake and actually spit some out laughing. Jesus! You know, I honestly have been quite mystified at how angry some folks seem about the pricing of the M2CS, about the fact that it doesn't come with a carbon monocoque (seriously, somebody suggested that BMW should provide that), that it doesn't come with a free lifetime supply of Ovaltine, or whatever other random gripe. But, I suppose that really is a testament to how passionately people feel about BMW cars. I mean, you only fly into a rage over things you're truly passionate about, right? But, I will say, judging by all the griping, the M2 really has done a phenomenal job of straddling the line of performance, practicality, and price - if nothing else, the fact that you have this compromised 4-seat sports SEDAN, with large trunk and plenty of legroom, and everyone on this forum is saying, "Yeah, well, instead of buying the M2CS, I could just buy a lightly used 911 instead," or "Hell, if it costs that much, I'll just go buy a Cayman GTS instead." Damn! If people are cross-shopping the car with the world's foremost dedicated sports car brand, BMW is doing something right. I mean, the reality is that BMW accidentally fell ass-backward into success with the 2002, back in 1969, right? From what I understand 2 BMW engineers stuck a 2 liter engine into their 1.6L 1600's for their own personal use, and discovered how awesomely fun the car was to drive, and shared their insights with the board, and that's how the 2002 was born. And suddenly BMW was the car that every responsible family man could buy to do all the grown up, responsible things you're supposed to do as an adult, while also having a fun sporty experience. Which is why I don't get why there are so many complaints about the M2's Nurburgring lap time, or complaints about its handling versus the 911 or the GT4, or complaints about the fact that it won't walk your dog for you. I mean, it's a sports SEDAN, right? It's always going to be compromised. It's not a dedicated sports car. It's supposed to be this thing that allows you go to Home Depot, fill up your trunk with 14 bags of mulch, and then go hoon around in the canyons after you've done the obligatory weekend weed-whacking on behalf of your wife, right? I thought BMW's value proposition was that BMW provided a practical car that was also fun to drive. I would argue, if you want a real sports car, go get a real sports car, right? If you're the type of dude who doesn't need back seats, doesn't need a trunk, you're not required to do the weed-whacking on weekends, and you don't have to pick up your kids from school, go get yourself a McLaren! (And, let's trade lives, man!). But, why expect the M2 to compete with the GT4? They're totally different value propositions. I mean, that would be like me going onto Rennlist and start flame wars on the forum by pointing out how much the GT4 sucks and how terrible a value it is, because it only has 2 seats and how could anybody be such an idiot to pay $100k for a car that has no practicality and can't provide legroom and trunk space like a real sedan! |
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I believe all this animosity towards the CS stems from it hefty price now becoming a reality. It's simply out of reach for a lot of people, including myself and that translates into anger for them. Folks assume that BMW owns them something for being a consumer but in Free Market, they only own it to their shareholders and heirs, to make a profit. If they want to put together a "parts-bin" vehicle and price it above the norms, it's within their rights. And it's up to the consumer to vote with their wallet. As they say, It's nothing personal.. The whole Porsche comparison also is asinine but I entertain it because an M car is above a standard BMW and a Porsche is like graduating to the next level, in terms of performance. However, they're an apple to oranges in terms of price and practicality, If that's reason you originally gravitated towards a 2-series, 4 seater platform. For me personally, it was more the price and size, as I don't need the back seats, so a transition a a 2 seater won't be that detrimental. Some potential consumers doesn't have that luxury, so the M2 makes their situation work. I can't bring myself to spend 85k for a CS but I still appreciate that it exist and look forward to the reviews. I feel at this juncture, I'm going to hold out and see what they toss in with final model year of the M2C and then upgrade. Hopefully, I could possible snag one with Adaptive Suspension and a sunroof for 60k OTD when the model sunsets. That's would be divine and would leave me with no regrets. |
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