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      06-01-2020, 11:27 AM   #23
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I run cup2 on my 4CS in Scotland. They are fine. Just be cautious in cold temps especially combined with damp conditions. I got just under 8k from my first set of rears.
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Still gonna be threads complaining the car has poor traction in cold weather.
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For those of you wanting to get your hands on a M2 CS here is the waiver you will need to sign prior to delivery.

2020 BMW M2 CS Tire Information
VIN: __________________________________________________ _______

BEFORE TAKING DELIVERY OF YOUR BMW M2 CS, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FOLLOWING TIRE CHARACTERISTICS AND LIMITATIONS BY SIGNING BELOW.

The 2020- BMW M2 CS is factory-equipped with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, 245/35 R19 front, and 265/35 R20 rear. These tires are optimized for performance, with extreme traction on dry roads, but have the following limitations:
I thought the wheels were 19" all the way around???
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I thought the wheels were 19" all the way around???
763M wheels are staggered 19/20". Welcome to that Corvette life.
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      06-01-2020, 05:31 PM   #27
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I thought the wheels were 19" all the way around???
F87 OG M2, M2 LCI, M2C and M2 CS = 19" front (245/35 R19) + 19" rear (265/35 R19).

No way that the M2 CS comes standard with 20" rear. That's almost certainly a typo left in the text from the M4 GTS, M4 CS or M3 CS tire waiver.

See for example also MY20 M2 Product Guide Canada (including M2 CS data) (effective Jan 1, 2020): here (PDF) or here (website).
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      06-01-2020, 08:26 PM   #28
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If you want to be on the safe side on public roads - from both a driving safety and insurance perspective - skip the PS Cup 2 tires and opt for the alternative tire offered by BMW for the M2 CS (likely the Pilot Super Sport).

Michelin:
  • dry: #1 PS Cup 2 | #2 PS4S | #3 PSS
  • wet: #1 PS4S | #2 PSS | #3 PS Cup 2
PSS vs PS4S (2017):
[VIDEO]
PS4S vs Cup2 (2018):
[VIDEO]
PS4 vs PS4S vs Cup2 (2018):
[VIDEO]
PS4S vs Continental SportContact 6 vs Eagle F1 SuperSport (2019):
[VIDEO]
I like this guy's reviews. I'm still torn. I may get two sets of tires. 4s for winter and cup2 for spring through fall.
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      06-04-2020, 10:16 AM   #29
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Wish I had that option when I purchased my M3CS.
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Such a special car but they still won’t fit it with wider tires.
exactly... i dont get the tiny 265's

this car should've come at least with 275 min, preferably 285.

I'm sticking with my 295's lol
295 on a 10" wheel? Thats gonna slip so much under heavy and agressive driving ngl. 275/35 looks pretty good already on the stock wheels
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295 on a 10" wheel? Thats gonna slip so much under heavy and agressive driving ngl. 275/35 looks pretty good already on the stock wheels
none whatsoever. I've already posted this on my thread... track performance is much better in terms of grip and overall tracking, with just a tad bit more understeer at extreme push on certain tight corners.

On daily driving it is a huge improvement, looks ten fold better, and the only downside has been increased hydroplaning when there is a lot of rain/water in the streets.

I'm taking the pros over the cons any day.... its improvement in performance and aesthetically wise outweighs the increase of hydroplaning and slight increase of understeer when pushing it hard in tight corners at the track.
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Wish I had that option when I purchased my M3CS.
Ditto. Although the MPSS that it came with only lasted a few track days, it would have been nice to use what the car was tuned with for awhile before getting new rubber. I agree with the general consensus in the thread. Cup2's are a good street/track tire but you are probably better off with a separate track setup with NT01 or RE71R etc and MPS4S for the street/track. With Cup2's you gain about two second per two min lap over the MPSS.
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I didnt sign any papers when i got my M4 CS or did i? Or does it have different tires ? I was just concentrating not to sign dealer products
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I'd like to see 265/35/R19s in the front and 305/30/R20 for the rears.
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Well I'm not surprised the average consumer in 2020, given all the knowledge that the internet brings..... is an idiot. I would get so many complaints while working at a dlr about the normal pilot sports and people trying to use them in the cold, rain, etc etc. I'm glad they are doing this.
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I didnt sign any papers when i got my M4 CS or did i? Or does it have different tires ? I was just concentrating not to sign dealer products
All the ones i've seen had Pilot Super Sports.
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I didnt sign any papers when i got my M4 CS or did i? Or does it have different tires ? I was just concentrating not to sign dealer products
All the ones i've seen had Pilot Super Sports.
Yea only cup 2s were on european model
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255-35 & 275-35 will be the ideal sizes on OEM M2, not sure about 285s & 295s, unless you go 30 on the sidewall.
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Cup 2 tires are cool, but I'll prefer a tire that can handle both wet and dry since it's still a street/track car. 4S will be a good replacement
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I'm sharing from what I have experienced-

My 2020 M2C- I just had my car setup with M-Performance suspension along with corner balancing. They spent about good 2 days dialing everting in for me. I have all the print outs of before and after of my stock vs MP. My car has the stock comp wheels with stock tires- Keep in mind my car just hit 589miles. The difference is like night and day- Before the car felt like is was riding on top of the tires and the damping was just there to keep thing's smooth. The car is now putting down 26lbs of force per tire after the corner balancing. After having the suspension dialed-in I never see the need to go with wider tires. The car feels so connected wide and flat now that- I feel 265/245 is the perfect fit. I would highly recommend before you go trying to squeeze bigger tires- to get your cars suspension dialed -in first. I can now feel the tires are evenly flat and making full contact with the road. I never see any need to go bigger then what BMW has tested and sized this this car.
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I had Cup 2s on my M2 that I daily'd in the winter. I actually enjoyed the loss of traction as it was predictable and progressive, allowing me to have some small angle oversteer at safe speeds, making daily driving in the winter more fun But I also have a lot of track experience and a certain risk tolerance. I would not recommend Cup 2s as a daily for a novice.

Cup 2s on the skidpad in a M2:
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I didnt sign any papers when i got my M4 CS or did i? Or does it have different tires ? I was just concentrating not to sign dealer products

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Porsche GT cars come with Cup2's....no waiver.


In a litigious country like the US, if it came with slippery tires, I'm pretty sure a disclaimer was buried somewhere in the paperwork.

I met someone who bought a Dodge Demon, that came with 315-width Nitto NT05R drag radials, stock but he couldn't remember signing a disclaimer either..

Yet, here it is:
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Such a special car but they still won't fit it with wider tires.
Its not as linear of a relationship as you might think between increasing width and increasing performance. Wider rims increase rotating unsprung mass and lower the pressure on the tires, P=F/A. They increased the diameter which helps with putting the power down a lot. For a given engine torque it lowers the tire forces because F=T/r.
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