[Diego Gianoli]

Hello Friends!

I've had my M2 for 2 years now it's reaching 40k km, I'm running MPSS on the OEM rims. I haven't participated much in the forum, but the amount of information I've gotten is incredible! Thank you!
I have a couple of questions...

Following a discussion with my track instructor, he strongly suggest I do NOT fit pilot cup 2 tires on my car yet, as I'm only at a couple of track days. He instead recommended I fit cheaper tires, and focus on learning the tracks (mainly spa), he also suggested that the lower grip tires would put less stress on the car.

Question 1:
Do any of you have experience on track with a cheaper tire than the MPSS or PS4S? If so could you please recommend?

Question 2:
I am currently near the end of my MPSS, and am about to upgrade to PS4S.
There is about .5-1mm left of thread on the rear, before reaching the marker. I do feel a significant loss of grip compared to new... Do you think I could still run this set for a light 2 hours on track?

Thank you all in advance!!! I will drop a couple of pics of my ride below

[argentic]

try Federal RSRR they are pretty good for the money and cheap option for the track on a stock car

[capt_and]

Try Hankook RS4s. That's what we all use for WRL endurance racing. 8hrs nonstop racing and there is usually a little left over.

[Diego Gianoli]

Thank you guys! I will look into these! very much appreciated!!!!

[Thevesh]

Regarding your current tires. It all depends how much meat you have left on outer sides. If you don't have camber and you were pushing hard before, your tires might be toast even when still having 5mm in the groove.

For sliding and drifting its perfect, not so much for grip 😉

[kpaso]

+1 for RS4. They are grippier than both Michelins and will last forever!

[SEAT TIME RULES]

RS4's great HPDE and Enduro tire. Plus their dirt cheap

[Yellowflash21]

Get 18inc wheels, and Extreme VR2 tires.

They're really cheap and great!

[detroitm2]

As someone else mentioned, get some federal rsrr's. I've been running them for track days and they hold up pretty well. They are extremely loud, but pretty much a non issue on the track. They're also dirt cheap, pretty much the cheapest 200tw tire you can find that won't fall apart.

[BimmerAgent]

I've found these tires to have good grip, good wear, at a reasonable price.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by detroitm2

As someone else mentioned, get some federal rsrr's. I've been running them for track days and they hold up pretty well. They are extremely loud, but pretty much a non issue on the track. They're also dirt cheap, pretty much the cheapest 200tw tire you can find that won't fall apart.

What size are your Federals?

[detroitm2]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

What size are your Federals?

I'm running 265/35r18 square. I could probably go 275 square but may need slightly larger front spacers. Running on a set of 18x10 Apex EC7's with an ET35 offset. Have to run 12mm spacers and somewhere around 2.75 degrees negative camber to fit. If I bump to 15mm spacers the 275s should fit fine.

[argentic]

you can run Federal RSRR 255/35/19 front and 275/35/19 rear on stock wheels its about 450-500 for set of 4. there is nothing at this price range for 200tw tire

[Megator]

To the US guys, we can't get the Hankook RS4 over here (or I couldnt find them, even on their EU hompages).

In the EU I would recommend:

Federal 595 RSR (model will depend on tire size)
Nankang NS-2R (similar performance to Federal)
Nankang AR1 (much higher performance than the above 2 options).

I am running 265/35/18 and 285/35/18 NS-2R and loving it, appart from a huge vibration I have running these tires. Still trying to figure out what it is. I had another set of these tires and it is not normal for them.

The tires have great dry/hot grip, great longevity, surprising wet grip (when new), a high temp and pressure range that they work at, and are pretty quiet for a racy tire.


Your instructor is correct in stating you should start with lower grip tires. 1) this stresses components less (max sustained G-forces will be less). 2) If you overdo it the speeds will be less when you start to slide. 3) An ultimate performance tire bites when you go over the limit, a less performing tire should break away more evenly and predictably, allowing you to catch slides.

I recommend you do a drift day in your M2, it will teach you a great deal about what to do when you go over the limit. M2 is pretty easy to drift once you get the timing down

Oh and come visit us at Zandvoort or Assen. Assen is like a flat Spa hahah.

[Diego Gianoli]

Thank you for the recommendations guys!

Megator,
Thank you for the euro tire's, I was looking up some of the mentioned tires, but like you said they are hard to get a hold of here in Europe. I am looking forward to driving Zandvoort! Let me know if you hit any track days! Do you recommend any drift days ?

Thanks for the advice!

[Megator]

Originally Posted by Diego Gianoli

Thank you for the recommendations guys!

Megator,
Thank you for the euro tire's, I was looking up some of the mentioned tires, but like you said they are hard to get a hold of here in Europe. I am looking forward to driving Zandvoort! Let me know if you hit any track days! Do you recommend any drift days ?

Thanks for the advice!

I plan to go to Assen on this Thursday and again the 16th of July. I will probably try and fit a ZV day in-between there somewhere time permitting.

As for drifting I really like how these guys organise, their beginner day https://driftsport.nl/.

It is all on a wet skidpan and at worst you will hit a small cone with a small scratch as a result.

You start doing a single drift left or right. Then you advance to drifting a cone course. You can also rent special drift tires (which I recommend). These tires are like full slicks so the speeds needed to drift are much lower. Street tires also take a beating when drifting.

Here is a list of places close to NL for drifting https://driftdude.nl/Agenda.html

I do not recommend most of them till you have some practice.

This might be closer but no personal experience

https://www.skylimitevents.be/sectio...en-wagen-.html

I went with skylimit to Spa and their organization was good

[Conissah]

While I haven't done any track days on em, I bought some Federal RS-RR's for my Miata, which is being built for track duty. Even using on the streets, they're great, a little noisy but nothing crazy. They have a tremendous amount of grip, and they're stupid cheap.