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      09-16-2015, 04:39 PM   #1
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Where can I find a dealer (midwest) that WILL do european delivery?

I am on 2 lists of different types at my local dealerships. Minnesota's Motorwerks and Minnetonka. Motorwerks said they would not likely sell to me with european delivery.

Well, I've never bought a new car, and I want it to be memorable as fuck, and I have 15 days of paid vacation to burn.

I assume I won't get any solid answers until the car has been officially announced, but I also don't want to risk missing any windows by waiting. Are there non-local dealerships that are willing to work with me on this?

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If you want to do ED, why look for just a Midwest dealer? Any dealer can do ED, and there are probably some on the East coast that handle a lot of ED purchases (primarily ones near the Spartanburg plant) and would be more than willing to work with you.
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If you want to do ED, why look for just a Midwest dealer? Any dealer can do ED, and there are probably some on the East coast that handle a lot of ED purchases (primarily ones near the Spartanburg plant) and would be more than willing to work with you.
True, but remember OP that whichever dealer you choose is where your car will end up upon re delivery back to the states. Unless you PCD in South Carolina. You'll have to pay to ship it to where you are or figure out now to get there and drive it back. Ultimately I ended up using a local dealer for this reason: paying to ship it to me from out of state, or flying there and driving back, cut into my profit margin for the whole ED, somewhat negating its benefits.
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Why would they be unwilling to do ED? Thought that was a different set of rules and didn't cut into the delivery allocation they could gouge on?
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Why would they be unwilling to do ED? Thought that was a different set of rules and didn't cut into the delivery allocation they could gouge on?
It depends on the car and what BMW feels like at the time of release. There is no guarantee it will be available for ED.
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Why would they be unwilling to do ED? Thought that was a different set of rules and didn't cut into the delivery allocation they could gouge on?
BMW M cars (this is the M2 subforum) come out of dealer allocation. Since dealers don't get any bonus money for ED sales, it cuts into their profits. If they can sell an M car at US MSRP and earn the bonus cash on top of that for the sale, why would they sell the car for ED at ED MSRP and lose the bonus cash? If you are willing to pay US MSRP for an ED car, then I think most dealers would be OK with it.
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Why would they be unwilling to do ED? Thought that was a different set of rules and didn't cut into the delivery allocation they could gouge on?
If the dealer or BMW, the manufacturer, feels they can sell the car for over MSRP, why should they sell it to you at a discount? That question is relevent to both "allocated" and "nonallocated" cars.
To find a dealer who's willing to do ED (and they're out there), IMO, you have one choice. Make a list and call. To avoid the CA who may not be up to speed on the dealer policy with regard to ED, see if you can talk to the SM or, at least, the "Internet Salesperson" or ED specialist.
This guy was making crazy ED Invoice sales not too long ago: http://www.schompbmw.com/
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Interesting. Think I have some key misconceptions in how BMW works with their dealers on M cars.

Thanks for the suggestions. Look forward to more input when it comes time to stop talking about these and actually buy one.
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Why would they be unwilling to do ED? Thought that was a different set of rules and didn't cut into the delivery allocation they could gouge on?
$$$$$$$ that's why.

Dave Walter BMW was unable, errrr unwilling, to do the traditional ED. They were upfront about it though. They said the M3/4 and M2 were available for ED, but at US MSRP price.

I've found 2 dealers that are willing to to ED for the M2 at ED MSRP...no market adjustment. I am #1 on 2 lists. One with a G deposit.
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Get their response on an email and forward it to BMW NA, either BMWNA accepts that this is the kind of service they offer or the dealer is called out for not meeting bmws standards of service.
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Get their response on an email and forward it to BMW NA, either BMWNA accepts that this is the kind of service they offer or the dealer is called out for not meeting bmws standards of service.
Yes let's try to get BMW to prevent their independent dealers from making what money they can.
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It depends on the car and what BMW feels like at the time of release. There is no guarantee it will be available for ED.
Are you sure about this?

I thought the dealer decides this based on how much profit they can make off the sale. BMW determines if an ED sale does or does not count against the dealer's allocation count and the dealer gets to decide if they will or will not do an ED. BMWNA has nothing to do with the dealer's decision making process. All they do is coordinate the ED date. If you don't mind paying MSRP to do ED, I'm sure most dealers will accommodate the buyer.

If you're worried about the ED discount, I would get the dealer to provide in writing that they will be selling you an M2 for ED MSRP.

The 1M didn't count against the dealer's allocation, so the dealer made the same profit at ED MSRP as they would at MSRP. There was a big debacle at many dealers because they didn't know this, so they refused to do ED even though it didn't affect their bottom line. Some of the 1M buyers were able to educate the dealer and some weren't.
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This guy was making crazy ED Invoice sales not too long ago: http://www.schompbmw.com/
Fuddman.. I checked out their website and sent an email about a vehicle other than the M2. In less than 24 hrs I received the most professional response I've ever gotten from a car dealer including an iphone video of the car I asked about taken this morning for me. Very impressed. They are a quick flight and a 9 hr drive home away but certainly seem to be an organization I would prefer to do business with.

Thanks for the suggestion. Every dealer should be this responsive.
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When I was calling dealers to put a deposit down on an M2 few months ago only one dealer said to me that they will not be doing any ED's on the M2. This was kind of shocking since this particular sales guy is the owner of another BMW forum. So I wanted to see if he plain just doesn't want to do ED's or if he just wanted to maximize his profits. So I asked him, what if I pay US MSRP will you allow me to do ED? He quickly said yes I can do that. So that answered my question. He just wanted to maximize his profits for the car.

That left a sour taste in my mouth so I quickly hanged up the phone and put one deposit down at another dealership and put my name on the list for #1 spot at another dealership about 200 miles way from me to guarantee I get an M2.
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When I was calling dealers to put a deposit down on an M2 few months ago only one dealer said to me that they will not be doing any ED's on the M2. This was kind of shocking since this particular sales guy is the owner of another BMW forum. So I wanted to see if he plain just doesn't want to do ED's or if he just wanted to maximize his profits. So I asked him, what if I pay US MSRP will you allow me to do ED? He quickly said yes I can do that. So that answered my question. He just wanted to maximize his profits for the car.

That left a sour taste in my mouth so I quickly hanged up the phone and put one deposit down at another dealership and put my name on the list for #1 spot at another dealership about 200 miles way from me to guarantee I get an M2.


You guys make me laugh. You want to be first on the block to get the shiny new toy, but then get mad at stuff like this. First of all, you have to pay to play. Second, this isn't even maximizing profits, as you call it. This is just making sure the guy breaks even between US and ED delivery. As I already mentioned in this very thread, if the M2 comes out of dealer allocation (which is the likely case), any dealer that chooses to use one of their allocations for ED will be automatically giving up any bonus cash they could have gotten for the car.

If the dealer sells his first year allocations for US delivery, he will likely get US MSRP and whatever bonus money if he gets a CSI score of all 10s for the sale. That's (US MSRP + bonus) - US Invoice. If he sells it for ED though, he gets ED MSRP - ED Invoice. That's not really maximizing his profits, that's just him unwilling to eat the cost of an ED sale by way of losing the bonus money.

Seriously, this is probably going to be standard fare unless you go to some rural BMW dealership whose population has no interest in the M2. Good luck with that ED trip though. If you can't deal with it, wait until the second model year or get a 328i.
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Makes sense thanks for the explanation.

I did not say I was not ready to buy msrp and do ED. With the 1M people paid ED msrp and some paid US MSRP on ED cars, some even less.

I just did not like playing mind games. He should of said in the beginning US msrp for ED. He should of been up front since I am set on doing an ED on this car.

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I did not say I was not ready to buy msrp and do ED. With the 1M people paid ED msrp and some paid US MSRP on ED cars, some even less.

I just did not like playing mind games. He should of said in the beginning US msrp for ED. He should of been up front since I am set on doing an ED on this car.
I don't think this is mind games. If someone walked up to me and said hey are you selling your car? I would say no. If they retorted with I will pay you $100,000 in cash for it, I'm selling my car. No mind games.
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Yes let's try to get BMW to prevent their independent dealers from making what money they can.
Hey! when did I say the dealer shouldn't make any money. The dealer can set a price for ED at which they're in profit but denying to do ED outright is not right. ED is offered by BMWNA and the dealer should be willing to give it to whoever wants it.
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When I was calling dealers to put a deposit down on an M2 few months ago only one dealer said to me that they will not be doing any ED's on the M2. This was kind of shocking since this particular sales guy is the owner of another BMW forum. So I wanted to see if he plain just doesn't want to do ED's or if he just wanted to maximize his profits. So I asked him, what if I pay US MSRP will you allow me to do ED? He quickly said yes I can do that. So that answered my question. He just wanted to maximize his profits for the car.

That left a sour taste in my mouth so I quickly hanged up the phone and put one deposit down at another dealership and put my name on the list for #1 spot at another dealership about 200 miles way from me to guarantee I get an M2.
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Hey! when did I say the dealer shouldn't make any money. The dealer can set a price for ED at which they're in profit but denying to do ED outright is not right. ED is offered by BMWNA and the dealer should be willing to give it to whoever wants it.
Agree...however.. there is NO contract between BMW AG or BMW NA and the dealer that REQUIRES that dealer sell the vehicle at any price.

Good dealers do offer ED on all vehicles. (when it's available) .... ones focusing on the opportunistic sale.. don't .


Anyone calling on an M2 allocation should get their routine down..

1 - State: I am not a leasing company or a car buying service
2- I want to purchase an M2 FOR MYSELF.
3- Do you have an allocation or slot available?
4- Will you accept MSRP (or ED MSRP if desired) or @Fuddman offer of 3K below invoice
5- if any responses to statements 1-4 aren't in line... hang up and call the next dealer..
6 - lather, rinse... and repeat.. until allocation achieved..

that's what worked for me...

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I am on 2 lists of different types at my local dealerships. Minnesota's Motorwerks and Minnetonka. Motorwerks said they would not likely sell to me with european delivery.

Well, I've never bought a new car, and I want it to be memorable as fuck, and I have 15 days of paid vacation to burn.

I assume I won't get any solid answers until the car has been officially announced, but I also don't want to risk missing any windows by waiting. Are there non-local dealerships that are willing to work with me on this?

Thanks
I am sure that Dreyer in Indy will do it, but not sure if that's too far for you.
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