[(K)]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I think I'd lean towards agreement with this. When compared to most modern cars it's more raw. When compared to my old track prepped 93 Miata, with manual hydraulic steering, no traction control, stability control, or carpet. That car was pretty raw.

This was more my point. I'm claiming that whatever, relative, edge the F87 has, it'll be blunted even further with the new generation.

I mean that's generally the case with modernization and model bloat anyway so it's nothing new. I'm just yelling at clouds really.

[StateVector]

Originally Posted by zcp

There’s nothing “analog” or “raw” about the F87.
Coming from someone who’s owned 2 Comps and 2 OG’s.

Agreed, "raw" is a Lotus Elise...the Evora is actually a nice compromise between the F87 and the go kart feeling of an Elise. I've owned all three, but still have the M2.

[Humdizzle]

G87 reviews come out today.

Getting my popcorn ready.

[blackout23]

Originally Posted by (K)

I see a similar discussion pop up on Rennlist regarding the 718 vs 981 GT4. That's probably where we're headed with this new generation M2. Yes the new one will be faster and updated but likely at the cost of that raw, analog driving experience. How much of a cost is yet to be seen.

Additionally we also have the unique factor of aesthetics to consider.

Not a good analogy IMO. The 981 vs 718 debate is more like- the 718 is objectively better in every measurable sense. Subjective debates center around aesthetics and sound- generally the 718 looks better, but sounds worse.

In other words, I don't see the same type of argument happening here, that "the old gen is better than the new gen" with the GT4. I'd say most 981 GT4 owners probably wish they had a 718, and would be lying if they said they didn't.

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

looks like the G87 embargo will end sunday so we should see a flood of videos and reviews then. smoking tire has one in their possession and talked about the interior / exterior here:

I can stand about 11 minutes 37 seconds of Matt Farah before I want to scream. Overall I like him, but no way I could stomach 1.5 hours of him.

That said, as someone else said somewhere, I could care less about what reviewers think of styling- ESPECIALLY someone who has clearly gone against the grain with his choice of a Frozen Berry Spyder with red interior. That's like asking a gossip columnist if he thinks my wife is hot.

I heard he doesn't like the rear bumper of the G87- I took another look and yep, I like it more now.

I am weirdly very invested in seeing reviews for this car. I can't recall actively waiting for review embargoes to lift for any other vehicle, ever.

[JEM3]

F87 looks better than the G87.

The S58 is just such a good engine. The G80 isn't my favorite looking car, but after driving it, knew I wanted it over my F87.

[MooMooM2]

Originally Posted by JEM3

F87 looks better than the G87.

The S58 is just such a good engine. The G80 isn't my favorite looking car, but after driving it, knew I wanted it over my F87.

See I had the opposite experience, I really liked the way the g80 drove, its fantastic but apart from seating position I like how the f87 drives much better

[s1k_RR]

Originally Posted by JEM3

F87 looks better than the G87.

I saw your signature, was there really a 2022 M2? I thought 21 was the last year for F87?

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by JEM3

F87 looks better than the G87.

The S58 is just such a good engine. The G80 isn't my favorite looking car, but after driving it, knew I wanted it over my F87.

I was in the same boat and agree with everything you said except the G80 was simply too big for me dimension wise...

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by s1k_RR

I saw your signature, was there really a 2022 M2? I thought 21 was the last year for F87?

'22 M3

[s1k_RR]

Originally Posted by m2ss

'22 M3

Read my post again its not that hard.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by s1k_RR

Read my post again its not that hard.

My bad...

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

G87 reviews come out today.
Getting my popcorn ready.

Indeed, I've watched most the videos and read most of the thread: https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2006022

What I learned at the thread above: F87 owners are butt hurt if they don't love the G87. And a few people who prefer the G87 looks over the F87 ("F87 is soft and frumpy", "hilarious if you prefer F87 because G87 looks more muscular", etc.)

[jzcrna]

I say buy it. At $1000 under MSRP and the fact that they are pretty rare at the moment, I would jump all over it. You will still be able to sell it in the short term if you want to. Just don’t buy extended warranty or any extra’s that will keep you hostage to your car by inflating the amount you owe vs. how much it is worth.

The only drawback is the wheelbase is longer and the length of the car is longer. Looks are subjective, but I think I would be happy with it. Disclaimer, I have a 2019 M2C that I love. I just paid a lot for it based on what the marked demanded. BUT its fun, tossable and just sheer pleasure to drive. Plus its the most badass looking car I have ever driven. And I have owned at least 10 cars over the past 15 years.


just get it, you will have a blast. I

[zcp]

Selling the allocation for $2500.
This will put you $500 over MSRP all said and done because it’s a $2k under MSRP deal.

The car is on its way to port now.

https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2#post30000832

[JEM3]

Originally Posted by s1k_RR

I saw your signature, was there really a 2022 M2? I thought 21 was the last year for F87?

That's an error on my behalf! It was a '21 LBB M2 manual. I had for about 4-5 months. I would have kept it but it was my first out of state purchase and had an absolute nightmare with registration here in Illinois.

Long story short, they said my VIN did not exist... which I have no clue how that was even possible. I could have probably resolved the issue, but did not want the headache as I felt like I was running around. I got it at MSRP and the dealership paid me 4k over MSRP and sold me a G80 for MSRP, so I traded it in and I will admit, I miss it.

I'll be buying an M2 probably in 3-4 years. I'm waiting to see what they do with a G87 M2CS, otherwise, I'll probably pull the trigger on a F87 M2CS, but god knows what prices will be like on that car in a few years, lol.

[qnet]

Originally Posted by zcp

Selling the allocation for $2500.
This will put you $500 over MSRP all said and done because it’s a $2k under MSRP deal.

The car is on its way to port now.

https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2#post30000832

Good luck. Glad you were able to find the car you really wanted.