[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by ZilberGrau ZHP

I want:
1> True M4 style Mirrors
2> Carbon Fiber roof option (looks awesome with Alpine white)
3> More color options- exterior at least.
4> Better motor than the M240
5> New V.5 of the (pretty terrible) Sat nav system.

There thats it

You forgot to say " please "

[termigni]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

OK, so you don't have any solid info either Still looking forward to my "parts bin" car

M2 is a great car to remind you. it is using M3/4 parts on a lighter platform. can't go wrong with that formula. hope you get it soon and enjoy in good health.

[termigni]

Originally Posted by ried

As if some dealership's finance manager would know. Might as well ask the guys at Autozone.

some people swear by what the dealership "head" mechanics say. mechanics don't know jack. They know how to fix cars, they don't know corporate planning.

[MikeRR]

It will get new rear lights and maybe modified headlights and that will be it. M LCi are always on the light side.
No way a normal M2 LCI will have S55, carbon roof, M4 Mirrors and so on. Thats just some wishfull thinking.

[Minchy]

This not one of BMWs pranks for halloween? They like to do it on april fools.

[WAY]

You guys in the US clearly didn't get the E36 M3 in both 3.0 and 3.2 litre engines? BMW initially produced it with the 3 litre, and then upgraded it to a much more powerful and sophisticated 3.2 a couple of years later. Audi has just done it on the RS3. I have a RS3 which has been in production for 2015 and 2016 with an iron block 5 pot producing 270kw. For 2017 this will be replaced with an aluminium block engine producing 294kw and quite a bit lighter engine. So it's not without precedence for BMW to replace the engine in the M2 after a couple of years with something better. Bring on the S55!

[D CHOI]

Originally Posted by MikeRR

It will get new rear lights and maybe modified headlights and that will be it. M LCi are always on the light side.

If anything the original M2 models can replace their tail lights with the new ones at the owners expense. I think the current tail lights are decent but I can see some potential for improvement.

On another note I like the current M2 in terms of power, so I personally don't desire anything more. I'm still driving my very 1st car (2000 Honda Civic SI) I've had for 10 years that I love. I never really thought about getting a new car till recently. On top of that my car is getting old and it makes me sick to put anymore money into repairs here and there even if the are minor. This is obviously a big upgrade for me so I'm probably going to be one of the most impressed owners with the M2.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by WAY

You guys in the US clearly didn't get the E36 M3 in both 3.0 and 3.2 litre engines? BMW initially produced it with the 3 litre, and then upgraded it to a much more powerful and sophisticated 3.2 a couple of years later. Audi has just done it on the RS3. I have a RS3 which has been in production for 2015 and 2016 with an iron block 5 pot producing 270kw. For 2017 this will be replaced with an aluminium block engine producing 294kw and quite a bit lighter engine. So it's not without precedence for BMW to replace the engine in the M2 after a couple of years with something better. Bring on the S55!

So true,but you're wasting your breath

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by WAY

You guys in the US clearly didn't get the E36 M3 in both 3.0 and 3.2 litre engines? BMW initially produced it with the 3 litre, and then upgraded it to a much more powerful and sophisticated 3.2 a couple of years later. Audi has just done it on the RS3. I have a RS3 which has been in production for 2015 and 2016 with an iron block 5 pot producing 270kw. For 2017 this will be replaced with an aluminium block engine producing 294kw and quite a bit lighter engine. So it's not without precedence for BMW to replace the engine in the M2 after a couple of years with something better. Bring on the S55!

Z3M in 2001 went from S52 (US) to s54 as well

[adc]

The S55 haters should be appeased by the new LCI tails, and no doubt the surprise introduction of real M mirrors.

While you can drown the embarrassing exhaust sound with a well chosen stereo upgrade, nothing says "I'm special" more than a set of true LED or - even better - OLED tail lights.

[Corinne]

Here's my guess.... BMW originally decided to use up its remaining stock of N55 engines but, because demand for the car was stronger than anticipated, they are now running out of the aforementioned engines. The B58 is part of the overall drive to standardise the engine line-up within BMW (each cylinder is 500 cc) and, perhaps even more importantly has lower emissions than the N55 so now they are going to be forced to put this one into the M2. However, since the version in the M240i is already almost as powerful they are going to have to increase power to say 390 bhp. And I hope they do this before mine is built !

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Don't know the production cost but do know that an S55 replacement due to a blown engine costs around $40k, labor included. There are numerous posts on the F8x M3/4 forum pertaining to this. My hazy recollection of an N55 replacement is $20k. Don't quote me on that price. Regardless, the S55 is way more expensive. Incorporating the S55 in the M2 alone should jack the price up substantially.

While you can't straight-convert the price, I'm seeing $19.2k for the "short engine" (basically a long block) for the N55 in the M2 and $26.3k for the S55 short engine. Looks like you can buy the S55 here for $23.8k online (ECS, etc.)

So, what, 35% more expensive?

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by quikM2

...in 2019 worrying about the S99 Wayne Gretzky special edition motor going into the M2 for that year... (sorry I'm canadian and really wanted to make that joke however self indulgent

It doesn't get anymore Canadian that this folks...making a hockey joke and then apologizing for it. lol, Priceless.

I'm on the list for an allocation in calendar 2017, but it won't be produced until October 2017, so it will be a MY18. I get what I get and won't complain about it.

i.e. N55 will sound awesome and have LED tails (seems important to most?)
i.e. B58 will have tuning upside and LED tails
i.e. S55 will have more power and tuning upside and LED tails

Glass half full people. Get some perspective...there are people in this world who have to walk/take transit...or worse, drive an Audi

/LSB

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

I love watching all the non M2 owners clamoring for the car in any way possible. ANYTHING BUT THE N55!! Even though its vastly different than any one before it..... Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery and you all reek of it...... REEK!!

The S55 variant will be an expensive car. A B58 variant is probably more likely to happen.

Any way you slice it, the chassis is the best BMW makes right now, and the Parts bin analogy doesn't hold water in my view. Btwn the changes to the gearbox, the engine, and suspension unique to this car, it was a fully developed M product, so much so that it is faster than M4's around tracks. One could argue they needed to ENGINEER the car not to be too much faster than the big brother around a track. Skinnier tires was one sure fire way to do that for instance.

If you dont get all this, then you dont get the M2 for what it is. And if you want an S55 in the car, you now have lost all that is truly great about this car.

Price, sound, balance.

Keep waiting for the 65k S55 variant that sounds like, "someone farted in a Kazoo under water." Thats the best quote i've heard about it. I truly hate the S55 engine and I think it is a horrible power plant choice for this car. Work buddy has an M3 and I rip on him every time we drive to lunch in it.

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

Listen I hope this is more entertaining than some of these crappy ass speculations about NOTHING! You guys would have been great writers for Seinfeld.

Its the same damn comedy over and over. First, I see no the block isnt closed, then its the turbo is the same as N55s, then its the S55 is going into it and the base M2 is gonna be garbage......

Blah blah blah. Its an amazing car as is. I bet they give it some LED lights and a 20 HP update and call it a day at most for the base update. It will crush every head to head with the RS3 as-is anyway.

Now, a CSL with carbon roof, detuned S55, LTW materials and interior bits could be very entertaining if done correctly. Matter of fact, im first on the list at my dealer if it happens!

F1, CGT, Zonda, F50. Naturally aspirated, carbon tub, shift it yourself supercars. Nothing is better. The CGT is a beast, while it can also be driven daily if your so inclined to. Its just a perfect piece of engineering and when driven hard is a total handful in which you could spend a lifetime mastering. I guess by erratic I meant just what your saying, so tactile it can become erratic. Every input needs to be super deliberate, with confidence, but also with genuine finesse. If you can make it all click, its unbeatable. But what do I know.....

Enjoy waiting everyone out there! Your missing out on the car to buy if your into sports cars that can be daily driven with some semblance of practicality while also excelling on track days.

Facker out!!

Well it didn't take so long Tell me more!

[PrematureApex]

He's already shown to be a complete mouth breather more than once already.

Not wanting the S55 (and its big power increase, added strength, and tuning headroom) because of the damn exhaust note?

[RPM2-85]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

He's already shown to be a complete mouth breather more than once already.

Not wanting the S55 (and its big power increase, added strength, and tuning headroom) because of the damn exhaust note?

And you care because? I said a car like that would be entertaining, not my first choice in powerplants for the car but thats what they make these days. Yeah, and I would buy it too! No one said the cars not happening obviously it is. I can voice my opinion and it seems others fully agree. Its sounds and acts terribly and is not representative of M cars of yore.

A mouth breather? Not sure what you even mean. I have gotten so many post appreciations for the garbage you think im spewing.

What I hate is the nonsensical speculation people like you are going on and on about. You sound like an idiot and bring absolutely zero perspective to this community, and you dont even own an M2. So maybe go F off somewhere? Pretty sure I speak for a lot who are watching.....

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

If I want something erratic and brutal, I will go drive my Carrera GT thank you.....

The grey one or the red one ?

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

I can voice my opinion and it seems others fully agree. Its sounds and acts terribly and is not representative of M cars of yore

And neither is the N55. How does the N55 act like an M motor of yore, and the S55 doesn't? The S55, in fact, has a top end that doesn't fall off like the N55 does...a characteristic much more M motor like...

The point is, in addition to your blatantly contradictory posts that people were laughing at you for...

You seem to rely on theexhaust note as your primary basis for preferring the N55 over the S55 (which is superior in every metric sans price and subjectively, its sound). I think you'll find the majority of enthusiasts would think that ranking sound over power, headroom, strength, etc. to be silly.

You think your opinion is in the majority? You think if we took a poll, more people would want the N55 vs. the S55?

Do I own an M2? Not yet. And you picked your car up days ago...so the heck what? Perspective? I own an N55, an N54, and an M motor of yore. You've had your car for a couple days, yet you've given your "perspective" long before you even had it. So I'm not sure that's the route you want to take in this conversation.

And, again, I like the N55. I like in the base M2, for sure.

[Encinitas CA M2+M5 Owner]

There are 3 kinds of board members here, one, are the type who actually man up and buy and DRVIE THE CAR. The second is the person who in reality is never gonna own an a M2 because there is always something better coming down the road...he is gonna wait1, 2 year and then keep on waiting because one he does not really want to spend the money,or two he does not have the money to spend and three-the person who will NEVER be satisfied with the car at it's current state.

We have seen from year one of 2016 a price increase, yes hidden, on all BMW cars in 2017..not only the same paint job went up $150 bucks and the Exc Package $150 bucks, but they totally changed the warranty on the car, the second time they have done this. The first time was a bit of a little change..making the warranty non-trasferable...now they have come to the conclusion that the warranty is costing them too much profits..so they go ahead and make it 2500 more or so..and if you own and drive a M car like you should you are gonna use that warranty. Every warranty in the 10 BMWs I have owned over the years have paid for itself except for my M5 which has 47K miles to go so the jury is still out.

This a plain fact..the longer you wait, the more it is gonna cost you...period, new engine..Kiss the 51K sticker price goodbye, my prediction for the next "hidden increase" from BMW is a steep rise of the extended warranty and service and tire agreements..the one's that give you no hassle, which means BMW warranties... if you have the opportunity to get them now, do it...they are a bargain compared to what they are gonna be.

So in summary, my advice is IF you can afford the M2..buy it now and enjoy it now for the lowest possible price it is ever gonna be.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Encinitas CA M2+M5 Owner

There are 3 kind of board members here, one are the type who actually man up and buy and DRVIE THE CAR. The second is the person who in reality is never gonna own an a M2 because there is always something better coming down the road...he is gonna wait1, 2 year and then keep on waiting because one he does not really want to spend the money,or two he does not have the money to spend and three-he will be satisfied with the car at the current state.

We have seen from year one of 2016 a price increase, yes hidden, on all BMW cars in 2017..not only the same paint job went up $150 bucks and the Exc Package $150 bucks, but they totally changed the warranty on the car, the second time they have done this. The first time was a bit of a little change..making the warranty non-trasferable...now they have come to the conclusion that the warranty is costing them too much profits..so they go ahead and make it 2500 more or so..and if you own and drive a M car like you should you are gonna use that warranty. Every warranty in the 10 BMWs I have owned over the years have paid for itself except for my M5 which has 47K miles to go so the jury is still out.

This a plain fact..the longer you wait, the more it is gonna cost you...period, new engine..Kiss the 51K sticker price goodbye, my prediction for the next "hidden increase" from BMW is a steep rise of the extended warranty and service and tire agreements..the one's that give you no hassle, which means BMW warranties... if you have the opportunity to get them now, do it...they are a bargain compared to what they are gonna be.

So in summary, my advice is IF you can afford the M2..buy it now and enjoy it now.

Don't get me wrong, I like the N55. I like it for the base M2 in the long term (or a B-series equivalent). It's a proven engine, makes enough power, and keeps the cost down. Makes the M2 much more obtainable to more people, which is a good thing if BMW can keep production up.

I'm just commenting that saying you hate the S55, and citing on the exhaust note seems like something a non-car person would say. That's why you hate the superior engine only because of the exhaust note?

Or make fun of your co-worker for it? His engine is superior to yours, so you're left with laughing at the exhaust note.

[RPM2-85]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Don't get me wrong, I like the N55. I like it for the base M2 in the long term (or a B-series equivalent). It's a proven engine, makes enough power, and keeps the cost down. Makes the M2 much more obtainable to more people, which is a good thing if BMW can keep production up.

I'm just commenting that saying you hate the S55, and citing on the exhaust note seems like something a non-car person would say. That's why you hate the superior engine only because of the exhaust note?

Or make fun of your co-worker for it? His engine is superior to yours, so you're left with laughing at the exhaust note.

But in my view, it is not superior, not in the M2.... I think you can tell that is what I am trying to get at but you hear what you want to. The S55 is not an engine I like, and that doesn't make me a car person? Thats some funny stuff right there. In fact my favorite sports car ever is an Elan from the 60's with 115hp. Sounds like your so caught up in power this and top end that, that you dont even understand driving dynamics and the total package. Thats how you come off. More power=better, and thats categorically false in true car guy fashion.

Listen Im voicing my opinion that the S55 is not a great engine and many would side with me. Take it or leave it buddy. Fact is I am daily driving the sweetest driving car available from BMW.

And have you driven an M2??????? Oh I see the X1 with the N55 in your garage, thats a great representation of the M2 engine, so yeah your an expert. I mean it seems to pull to redline for me. But oh yeah you know it all about these cars, I forgot. Maybe mines broken, can you fix it?

And the CGT is silver/ascot....

[RPM2-85]

Forums are supposed to be informative, with real world experiences. This place is full of nonsensical ramblings from people who have no intention, or no cash to buy the car. Not a great community of "enthusiasts" over here I am afraid.