[MartyE12345]

Apologies if this has been posted before.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/rev...upra-vs-bmw-m2

[MartyE12345]

It looks like they did a summary as well.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/rev...supras-numbers

[MartyE12345]

After reading this review and reading the Motortrend review. Top gear seemed to like it a lot more than Motortrend. Motortrend also had the Supra in front of the Cayman, Topgear also did a comparison between the Cayman and Supra and had the Cayman on top.

[VIERsr]

I don't like to talk about number, but i read 120 vs 112.9 as speed after 1/4 mile, it's a HUGE difference guys

[BlkSVT]

Originally Posted by _RS4_

I don't like to talk about number, but i read 120 vs 112.9 as speed after 1/4 mile, it's a HUGE difference guys

Oh yeah, trap speed is a really good representation of HP, and given the M2c weighs ~3600 lbs, 120mph is a pretty big number. Almost seems too high for ~405hp

[mike@x-ph.com]

Thank you for sharing

[ZeroFx]

Well i did tell everyone that those US reviews were bull shit from those fake ass paid for articles.

Fake Dynos and Fake Reviews.

Where did all that bull shit extra power go in the 0-100 and trap speed tests?

Im also 100% sure the M2 is limited by the Torque reduction BMW put on the new S55 maps due to traction at 0-60

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by ZeroFx

Well i did tell everyone that those US reviews were bull shit from those fake ass paid for articles.

Fake Dynos and Fake Reviews.

Where did all that bull shit extra power go in the 0-100 and trap speed tests?

Im also 100% sure the M2 is limited by the Torque reduction BMW put on the new S55 maps due to traction at 0-60

I guess they might have reduced the torque. However my M2C MT will spin the tires in MDM when I'm going 40 miles per hour on a straight highway without popping the clutch. It is torquey as hell. I need more rubber.

[ZeroFx]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I guess they might have reduced the torque. However my M2C MT will spin the tires in MDM when I'm going 40 miles per hour on a straight highway without popping the clutch. It is torquey as hell. I need more rubber.

There is a YouTube video from Evolve showing how the S55 has been hamstrung low down versus the N55. It was in response to the earlier M3 M4s trying to kill its owners

Personally I don't understand why one engine can be OK with that torque and the other can't in the same car. The OG M2 feels crazy powerful down low and I do miss that in my M2C

I agree that we are on the limit with these super sport tyres. But one thing I don't understand is peoples comments in reviews on handling. This is the best handling car I have ever driven on the road. I'm sure on a track a low down sports 2 seater will have an edge but I'd love to see how you quantify that on a road.

For me the top gear review captures exactly how I feel about this car. Especially how they describe its stance its handling and general attitude. It's certainly a hard core M car. The supra isnt anywhere near this thing in terms of what it is or would make you feel when driving it. Whilst the ZF is nice in a diesel with 300hp around the supermarket car park and islands and traffic. It certainly isn't the M DCT. The engine is also no M engine with 5500 rpm being its limit. It isn't anywhere near as quick to 100 and 30 to 70 is the real test of a fast car because its where you need your power day to day.

I also think the M2c is just incredible to look at. From the very first one I ever saw I thought to myself that it was created by hybridizing one of those Instagram girls with their perfect big round asses and stunningly shaped bodies honed in the gym every day for years and some kind of vicious angry hell hound made In some German lab under the M division. Both beautiful and aggressive in a way no other M car can capture.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by ZeroFx

There is a YouTube video from Evolve showing how the S55 has been hamstrung low down versus the N55. It was in response to the earlier M3 M4s trying to kill its owners

Personally I don't understand why one engine can be OK with that torque and the other can't in the same car. The OG M2 feels crazy powerful down low and I do miss that in my M2C

I agree that we are on the limit with these super sport tyres. But one thing I don't understand is peoples comments in reviews on handling. This is the best handling car I have ever driven on the road. I'm sure on a track a low down sports 2 seater will have an edge but I'd love to see how you quantify that on a road.

For me the top gear review captures exactly how I feel about this car. Especially how they describe its stance its handling and general attitude. It's certainly a hard core M car. The supra isnt anywhere near this thing in terms of what it is or would make you feel when driving it. Whilst the ZF is nice in a diesel with 300hp around the supermarket car park and islands and traffic. It certainly isn't the M DCT. The engine is also no M engine with 5500 rpm being its limit. It isn't anywhere near as quick to 100 and 30 to 70 is the real test of a fast car because its where you need your power day to day.

I also think the M2c is just incredible to look at. From the very first one I ever saw I thought to myself that it was created by hybridizing one of those Instagram girls with their perfect big round asses and stunningly shaped bodies honed in the gym every day for years and some kind of vicious angry hell hound made In some German lab under the M division. Both beautiful and aggressive in a way no other M car can capture.

Yes, tt's because the F8x cars can't put power down for whatever reason. Tires, rear suspension setup, whatever it is, they just don't. Look at the 0-60 and quarter mile ET put down by the Z4 and Supra in comparison. The trap speed is higher on M2C but it just can't get off the line.

Like you said, I think more M3/M4 drivers were ending up backwards in the trees so they decided to limit the 1st and 2nd? gear torque for S55. It may have had a more abrupt onset than the N55 which is why it was more troublesome. I drove ZCP M4 and regular M2 on the same day and found the M2 was more likely to spin in first, but there's no comparison in the mid to upper range.

[Big Fabri]

i don't see the point for the compative. they are not the same car category. the supra is a different car than the m2 competition. just the weight itself the center of gravity is different. They should have compared the supra with the z4 although they are almost the same car...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Big Fabri

i don't see the point for the compative. they are not the same car category. the supra is a different car than the m2 competition. just the weight itself the center of gravity is different. They should have compared the supra with the z4 although they are almost the same car...

They aren't in the exact same category, but I do think there are people - like me - who would cross shop these cars. People that don't necessarily need a back seat but would take one.

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by chris719

They aren't in the exact same category, but I do think there are people - like me - who would cross shop these cars. People that don't necessarily need a back seat but would take one.

This.

[ZeroFx]

If I wanted a 2 seater I'd get a porsche. The word Toyota wouldn't even cross my mind.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by ZeroFx

If I wanted a 2 seater I'd get a porsche. The word Toyota wouldn't even cross my mind.

What if you don't really feel like paying 80k for a 4 cylinder engine?

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by chris719

What if you don't really feel like paying 80k for a 4 cylinder engine?

But at least you wouldn't be driving a Toyota.....

^ I think that's his point.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

But at least you wouldn't be driving a Toyota.....

^ I think that's his point.

But it's a BMW.

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by chris719

What if you don't really feel like paying 80k for a 4 cylinder engine?

Lol right and that's the base starting price. Has anyone here actually priced a Porsche out? They nickel and dime you for basic features that are free on Hyundai's

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

But it's a BMW.

Hey, I'm not saying it's logical. It's not my position. I was just pointing out what that guy said. But to play devils advocate, you know it's a BMW, I do, but the average person definitely doesn't.

[VIERsr]

You can't compare Porsche and Toyota in terms of value, after a few years Porsche will have kept a decent value, the Toyota... well you know. In the meantime, however, you have driven a Porsche with a central engine and not a Yoyota with a non-Toyota (front) engine. I'm not a fan of the 4 cylinders engine of the 718, but if I had to spend that amount on a two-seater car I would have no doubt, Porsche.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by _RS4_

You can't compare Porsche and Toyota in terms of value, after a few years Porsche will have kept a decent value, the Toyota... well you know. In the meantime, however, you have driven a Porsche with a central engine and not a Yoyota with a non-Toyota (front) engine. I'm not a fan of the 4 cylinders engine of the 718, but if I had to spend that amount on a two-seater car I would have no doubt, Porsche.

Yeah but Porsche doesn't really sell a car in this price range. I just don't see the comparison here as sure you can technically get into a Cayman for under $60k but it's a total stripper without even steering wheel controls and automatic climate control to which doesn't really exist because nobody orders that and he reality is that a decently equipped one is more expensive than an M2C.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Yeah but Porsche doesn't really sell a car in this price range. I just don't see the comparison here as sure you can technically get into a Cayman for under $60k but it's a total stripper without even steering wheel controls and automatic climate control to which doesn't really exist because nobody orders that and he reality is that a decently equipped one is more expensive than an M2C.

The Boxster I just tested was $110k usd.

Adds up super fast...

That's nuts IMO.