[Mavus]

Originally Posted by adc

To drive on track you do not need different seats, you need a harness. I just installed a Schroth quick-fit in my M3 and it is perfect this way.

The calipers have 2 pins that you need to tap out. Buy a 6mm punch tool, it will make your life a lot easier. Also note that there aren't a lot of good pad options out there, for some reason. Ex: https://store.zeckhausen.com/catalog...3_16_6009_6010

I put Pagid yellows and although the compound is fine, they are lacking the thin OEM backing plate which makes them fit a bit loose - there is some backlash when going into/out of reverse, and sometimes on track too.

I like the cover plate on the caliper on my Stoptech as it is easy to pop in pads. It would be nice if M2 has the same design. I also use Pagid yellow and the combo is awesome.

The current seats in M2 probably weigh a ton and leather is not the best material for track and durability. They could have put alcantara inserts. I would bet the two front seats weigh over 100lbs.

[MZWIE]

Color selection sucks. No manual seats.

[M3 n X5M]

The M2 is more beautiful than the M3 or M4.

Does anyone else agree?

The car just looks more proportionate and suited to be a sports auto... The lines, the width, the width.... the short roofline... The front looks just perfect to an M aero treatment. The M3 and M4 just look less beautiful at this point.

This by no means says anything else about what I know about the car. I have not driven the new M3 or M4, and I cannot imagine how they would compare to the new M2.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by nmehta211

Agreed. That's a dubbed over s65 v8. Hope this doesn't have a sound mod like the f80, but if it does, at least they picked a better sound!

Well jokes on you because you're wrong. BMW did not dub over the sound with the s65 for their launch film. That's ridiculous.

That's the sound of the M2 whether you like it or not.

The fact that you think it's an s65 is really just you liking the exhaust note.

I agree, it sounds awesome

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Well jokes on you because you're wrong. BMW did not dub over the sound with the s65 for their launch film. That's ridiculous.

That's the sound of the M2 whether you like it or not.

The fact that you think it's an s65 is really just you liking the exhaust note.

I agree, it sounds awesome

I agree that it MIGHT not be an S65. Cant say for sure at this point but If anyone has heard an N55 from inside the car it does have the same type of grunt that the S65 has, I noticed on my wifes 535 when she first got it. I think a lot of people are expecting this to sound like the S55 and are actually surprised that it sounds good. The N55 also sounds better that the N54.

[Adem1534]

Well, we know Chris Harris is a fan!

[W///]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Well jokes on you because you're wrong. BMW did not dub over the sound with the s65 for their launch film. That's ridiculous.

That's the sound of the M2 whether you like it or not.

The fact that you think it's an s65 is really just you liking the exhaust note.

I agree, it sounds awesome

Dude. No offense, but that IS the S65. I could point out every single little detail to you in that video. Even the idling is so fcking obvious it's an S65. Why? Because it's a tick that makes every E9x M3 nervous because they think their rod bearings are going.

And you know I wouldn't BS you because I'm still an M2 supporter, so you really gotta relax man.

Hell, I don't know if any of you guys have seen the newest Mission Impossible or not. It was clearly an F80 driving through the streets of Morocco, but they dubbed the whole chase scene over with the S65 there too.

P.S. I've also heard the N55T in real life too. So again, calm down.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

Dude. No offense, but that IS the S65. I could point out every single little detail to you in that video. Even the idling is so fcking obvious it's an S65. Why? Because it's a tick that makes every E9x M3 nervous because they think their rod bearings are going.

And you know I wouldn't BS you because I'm still an M2 supporter, so you really gotta relax man.

Hell, I don't know if any of you guys have seen the newest Mission Impossible or not. It was clearly an F80 driving through the streets of Morocco, but they dubbed the whole chase scene over with the S65 there too.

P.S. I've also heard the N55T in real life too. So again, calm down.

I'm perfectly calm. It just doesn't sound much different in the launch film than in this video.
edit: Maybe you're right. Now that I've watched it a few times over and over it sounds a little throatier in the launch film. I still think there's a chance that it's just the M2 being revved much harder in the launch film. The fundamental sound is close.

[termigni]

so is this car limited or what?

[W///]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

I'm perfectly calm. It just doesn't sound much different in the launch film than in this video.

Sounds completely different man. Trust me. The M2 will not howl like that launch video.

Personally, I think it's stupid that they overlaid S65 sounds in that launch video as well. Absolutely no need because the M2 is a wonderful sounding car.

Not to derail the thread too much, but listen to this video:

[metrickid]

They may have enhanced the sound in some way but I find it hard to believe that they add the sound from another car in a official video for a new car. They are not that stupid.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

Sounds completely different man. Trust me. The M2 will not howl like that launch video.

Personally, I think it's stupid that they overlaid S65 sounds in that launch video as well. Absolutely no need because the M2 is a wonderful sounding car.

Not to derail the thread too much, but listen to this video:

Okay well after watching that, I definitely don't think that supports the s65 dubbed claim. The launch video M2 sounds enhanced but it does not sound like that. It sounds closer to the video of it revving.

I agree with the post above, its probably real M2 sound but enhanced. I don't think they would dub it in its own launch video. And I don't think it sounds exactly like an s65.

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Okay well after watching that, I

definitely don't think that supports the s65 dubbed claim. The launch video M2 sounds enhanced but it does not sound like that. It sounds closer to the video of it revving.

I agree with the post above, its probably real M2 sound but enhanced. I don't think they would dub it in its own launch video. And I don't think it sounds exactly like an s65.

No offense to W, but I also agree with adem here. I hear it sound more like the autobild video than the M3. I'm sure everyone's ear opinion is slightly different though...

The M3 as always sound amazing, now so does the M2. Both sounds miles better than the F8Xs.

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough as the video reviews roll in.

Also I think a movie sound over is one thing. To put a fake sound in a launch video for the specific car is just not plausible.

[W///]

We'll agree to disagree then.

When that M2 comes out of the pits, the induction sound of the S65 is unmistakable to me. It is literally like no other sound from any BMW's.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by W///

We'll agree to disagree then.

When that M2 comes out of the pits, the induction sound of the S65 is unmistakable to me. It is literally like no other sound from any BMW's.

I agree with you on this one.. those initial revs sound like s65 revs to me. There's some hint at augmented induction noise on track, too - similar to the s65.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

We'll agree to disagree then.

When that M2 comes out of the pits, the induction sound of the S65 is unmistakable to me. It is literally like no other sound from any BMW's.

agree to disagree, but I just don't think it sounds anything like the s65 in the video you posted. I listened to 'ring videos again, and it sounds exactly like it does in the launch film. idk. I just hear the same sound in the launch film as in the autobild revving vid, just pushed harder. Time will tell I guess once reviewers get the car. More waiting

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Some of us don't buy cars that we think are to big and have design details we don't like.

I'm not telling you to not buy the car. I was answering the guys question. I don't see any objective reasons to buy the M2 over the M4 if cost is taken out of the equation. If you prefer the M2, by all means, buy it.

Originally Posted by Nantucket

I didn't realize that the E46 M3 was faster around the track than the M4 and the E92 M3.
Do all of these cars have DCT and SMG for the E46 M3?

Originally Posted by Nantucket

OK,E46 M3 CSL with SMG.That explains why it is faster but still impressive after all these years.

You know why the E46 M3 CSL is faster around the Nordschleife? It has a 3,053 lb curb weight. It is otherwise identical (mechanically) to the standard E46 M3.

Like I said before, if you prefer the M2, go for it. On the street, in the hands of 95% of the people on this forum, performance will be right up there with the M4, and you'll save several thousand dollars in the process.

I still think it's ridiculous that a car this much smaller than the M4 comes in at a curb weight that is only 25-30 lbs less. I don't like large cars either, but it's not simply an aesthetic concern for me. I don't like large cars because large cars also tend to be heavy.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

I'm not telling you to not buy the car. I was answering the guys question. I don't see any objective reasons to buy the M2 over the M4 if cost is taken out of the equation. If you prefer the M2, by all means, buy it.



You know why the E46 M3 CSL is faster around the Nordschleife? It has a 3,053 lb curb weight. It is otherwise identical (mechanically) to the standard E46 M3.

Like I said before, if you prefer the M2, go for it. On the street, in the hands of 95% of the people on this forum, performance will be right up there with the M4, and you'll save several thousand dollars in the process.

I still think it's ridiculous that a car this much smaller than the M4 comes in at a curb weight that is only 25-30 lbs less. I don't like large cars either, but it's not simply an aesthetic concern for me. I don't like large cars because large cars also tend to be heavy.

The reason it only weighs slightly less is because of the targeted price range. Sure, many might be unhappy about that, but I don't think it's ridiculous.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by W///

Dude. No offense, but that IS the S65. I could point out every single little detail to you in that video. Even the idling is so fcking obvious it's an S65. Why? Because it's a tick that makes every E9x M3 nervous because they think their rod bearings are going.

And you know I wouldn't BS you because I'm still an M2 supporter, so you really gotta relax man.

Hell, I don't know if any of you guys have seen the newest Mission Impossible or not. It was clearly an F80 driving through the streets of Morocco, but they dubbed the whole chase scene over with the S65 there too.

P.S. I've also heard the N55T in real life too. So again, calm down.

Yeah, gotta agree with you, at least in part. There's something funky going on with the audio in that video. It may not be an S65, but I distinctly hear N/A induction noise in that you simply cannot get out of a turbocharged motor.

I don't know what BMW did to the video, but there's a ton of audio processing going on. Fortunately, the N55 is a very deep and throaty sounding engine. More so than the S55, interestingly, so I'm sure it will sound great. You will not, however, be hearing any of that induction pulse that's so prevalent in the video.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

The reason it only weighs slightly less is because of the targeted price range. Sure, many might be unhappy about that, but I don't think it's ridiculous.

You don't think it's ridiculous that an M2 weighs within 50 lbs of a Ford Mustang EcoBoost (3532 lbs) or an M4? I understand the price point justification, but that doesn't make it any less absurd. The reason the M2 is so heavy is because there's such a long line of people willing to give BMW a pass on literally every flaw with this car.

More support for my point: The E46 M3 had a 107" wheelbase (2" longer), but still had a curb weight of 3,415 lbs. It's been 16 years since that car was introduced, yet we're being sold a dimensionally similar car that is heavier. In a sports car — where weight is everything — that is the very definition of ridiculous; worthy of ridicule. There have been many technological developments that enable BMW to make a lighter sports car. They don't because it's not a priority. It's not a priority because the market doesn't demand it.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by termigni

so is this car limited or what?

No, the M2 will not be limited in numbers. But that doesn't mean it will be easy to get your hands on one.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

No, the M2 will not be limited in numbers. But that doesn't mean it will be easy to get your hands on one.

Do you think the exhaust note in the launch trailer is just s65 sound dubbed over, or is it genuine M2. I find it very hard to believe BMW would fake the sound in front of enthusiast crowd with one of the most famous exhaust notes.