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      04-08-2020, 09:30 AM   #111
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Oh yes ! me too! Do you have an instagram Dave ?
Short answer is yes. Sadly I don't use it. I tried to get on board with it, but failed miserably. I'm an occasional Facebook poster, but mainly on this forum chatting about the M2 CS.
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For the money & supposed purpose of the CS you’d think oil temp/pressure gauges could take the place of the useless ‘efficiency dynamics’ gauge, not to mention a purpose built muffler shaped to fit up into the cavity.
I might argue against this point if using this car, as purposed, in stock form. The car will likely go into limp mode and/or throw a warning light if oil temp or pressure exceed threshold. It's not a racecar. It's a track oriented car that's built to be beat on by track mortals, not track gods. Everything has been over engineered and built with safety margins. Propper gauges allow people to decide when enough is enough. Even more so when a tune defeats the safety measures.

An argument for your point is that I prefer to have as much data as possible so that I can look for correlation between changes and what might cause those changes. I too would prefer theses gauges or at least access to the data via the idrive system.
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The Netherlands: M2 CS (HS / M-DCT / M-CCB / Jet Black wheels / PSS): walkaround + quick revs

Quick revs: 15:29 - 16:09

Price (NL): €150,595.00 (± $168K - March 27, 2020)


For a walkaround of an M2 CS in Black Sapphire Metallic: see here
("M2 CS (BSM / DCT / CCB / Black wheels / PSS): walkaround + quick revs").
Just noticed this today. At the 14:12 mark, he mentions briefly that the CS is more of a racing car than the other M2's. So the driving thrills are definitely more aggressive for the CS it seems. Hopefully full driving reviews are allowed soon.

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The Netherlands: M2 CS (HS / M-DCT / M-CCB / Jet Black wheels / PSS): walkaround + quick revs

Quick revs: 15:29 - 16:09

Price (NL): €150,595.00 (± $168K - March 27, 2020)


For a walkaround of an M2 CS in Black Sapphire Metallic: see here
("M2 CS (BSM / DCT / CCB / Black wheels / PSS): walkaround + quick revs").
Just noticed this today. At the 14:12 mark, he mentions briefly that the CS is more of a racing car than the other M2's. So the driving thrills are definitely more aggressive for the CS it seems. Hopefully full driving reviews are allowed soon.
That's just internet hype, every subsequence car they review is going to be better than the previous one, it's just the nature of progression. How much better is the true question.

The CS has better suspension, as in electronic dampers, which more than likely, handles and brake better but everything else mechanically is the same as the Competition.

Honestly, if I had the scratch, I would get a CS for two reasons; one, I've had a vehicles from the last 3 generations of BMWs and I'm just in love with specifically the F-Series 2 Series platform, the M2 CS represents the apex predator of that food chain, so which fan wouldn't want to own the best that they have to offer.

Plus, it can be had with a true, three pedal manual, which is divine in a 2020 model year.

RWD, TwinTurbo, I6, LSD is pure automotive bliss and is something that would surely be appreciate, in the future.
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That's just internet hype, every subsequence car they review is going to be better than the previous one, it's just the nature of progression. How much better is the true question.

The CS has better suspension, as in electronic dampers, which more than likely, handles and brake better but everything else mechanically is the same as the Competition.

Honestly, if I had the scratch, I would get a CS for two reasons; one, I've had a vehicles from the last 3 generations of BMWs and I'm just in love with specifically the F-Series 2 Series platform, the M2 CS represents the apex predator of that food chain, so which fan wouldn't want to own the best that they have to offer.

Plus, it can be had with a true, three pedal manual, which is divine in a 2020 model year.

RWD, TwinTurbo, I6, LSD is pure automotive bliss and is something that would surely be appreciate, in the future.
In addition to the above, only about 400 units of the CS are coming to the US, in addition to being the last BMW DCT, make the CS unique.
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The Netherlands: M2 CS (HS / M-DCT / M-CCB / Jet Black wheels / PSS): walkaround + quick revs

Quick revs: 15:29 - 16:09

Price (NL): €150,595.00 (± $168K - March 27, 2020)


For a walkaround of an M2 CS in Black Sapphire Metallic: see here
("M2 CS (BSM / DCT / CCB / Black wheels / PSS): walkaround + quick revs").
Just noticed this today. At the 14:12 mark, he mentions briefly that the CS is more of a racing car than the other M2's. So the driving thrills are definitely more aggressive for the CS it seems. Hopefully full driving reviews are allowed soon.
TBF wouldn't take his word as gospel ...
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Does anyone knows how BMW decide their allocations for the M2CS? Per demand maybe ? Or its the dealers job to know how many they will get?
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In the US they don't seem to know until the allocations get distributed. My SA says it has a lot to do with dealership history on special models, and possibly M car throughput. Might be why my dealership continues to keep the M4CS in stock. My SA assumes they will get a M2CS based upon their history with M4 GTS, but it isn't a certainty. I believe the waiting list at my dealership is 15 deep for the CS. I would imagine that they might get two.

So no, I don't know, but that's the info I've received on how allocations work.
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Does anyone knows how BMW decide their allocations for the M2CS? Per demand maybe ? Or its the dealers job to know how many they will get?
I'm guessing:-

1) Country decision, is it coming (eg to UK)?
2) If yes proceed, how many?
3) How many is then split between dealers based on M model sales and history in special model sales
4) Now at the dealer level they know how many cars they are getting.
5) UK and many places then seem to honour the first come first serve approach.
6) Customer contacted to advice good news, you're in firm up the order etc

I see here in Bimmerpost that some regions and specific dealers don't play quite as fair around step 5) replaced with

5) Advertise for sale in dealership at MSRP + [insert obscene mark up]

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In the US they don't seem to know until the allocations get distributed. My SA says it has a lot to do with dealership history on special models, and possibly M car throughput. Might be why my dealership continues to keep the M4CS in stock. My SA assumes they will get a M2CS based upon their history with M4 GTS, but it isn't a certainty. I believe the waiting list at my dealership is 15 deep for the CS. I would imagine that they might get two.

So no, I don't know, but that's the info I've received on how allocations work.
Wow, a lot demand there ! I have read somewhere that in Brasil they re getting only 20 M2cs ,and they have a population of 210M ! So for sure is not by the population but mostly demand or M sales probably.
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In the US they don't seem to know until the allocations get distributed. My SA says it has a lot to do with dealership history on special models, and possibly M car throughput. Might be why my dealership continues to keep the M4CS in stock. My SA assumes they will get a M2CS based upon their history with M4 GTS, but it isn't a certainty. I believe the waiting list at my dealership is 15 deep for the CS. I would imagine that they might get two.

So no, I don't know, but that's the info I've received on how allocations work.
15 on a waiting list for the CS is a long list.
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Does anyone knows when the European production for the CS ends ? Saw something here but not sure if its September 2020. Maybe Artemis knows something about it , of course there might be some delays from the virus , but who knows , at least if September was true we can guesstimate !
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Does anyone knows when the European production for the CS ends ? Saw something here but not sure if its September 2020. Maybe Artemis knows something about it , of course there might be some delays from the virus , but who knows , at least if September was true we can guesstimate !

Starting March until September. Production is on hold. My CS was planned for week 18 (end of April) but received now status 105 : Order out of Product.Period.
Uncertainty about a restart.
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Does anyone knows when the European production for the CS ends ? Saw something here but not sure if its September 2020. Maybe Artemis knows something about it , of course there might be some delays from the virus , but who knows , at least if September was true we can guesstimate !
Starting March until September. Production is on hold. My CS was planned for week 18 (end of April) but received now status 105 : Order out of Product.Period.
Uncertainty about a restart.
It will be moved to May or June most probably since the factory is opening in 19th of April ! Ordered the CS before 2-3 weeks , they told me my production is on June !
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My M2 CS is planned for week 19. Also status 105 😑
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Does anyone knows when the European production for the CS ends ? Saw something here but not sure if its September 2020. Maybe Artemis knows something about it , of course there might be some delays from the virus , but who knows , at least if September was true we can guesstimate !
Reposting this earlier comment (March 24, 2020) in this thread:

M2 end of production (EOP) - start of production (SOP):
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EOP for current models:
F22 2er - 06/21
F87 M2 - 06/21
F23 2er - 10/21
[...]
Upcoming new models:
2022 G42 2er
2023 G87 M2
[...]
*First news about the next (G87) M2: production 12/2022-03/2029, likely in Mexico.
And about the current F82 M4 (as we know, the F80 M3 and F80 M3 CS have already been discontinued in the meantime) and forthcoming G80 M3 and G82 M4:
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Upcoming new models:
2021 G80 M3
2021 G82 M4
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Expected SOP dates for 2020:
- Dates not guaranteed to be exactly correct.
November:
G80 M3, M3 Competition
G82 M4, M4 Competition
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EOP for current models:
F32 4er - 06/20
F82 M4 - 06/20 (M4 CS ends 02/20)
F33 4er - 08/20
F83 M4 - 08/20
F36 4GC - 06/21
Car manufacturers normally stick to scheduled SOP and EOP deadlines as much as practically possible. Ratio: lots of organisation, coordination and logistics involved, not allowing a flexible timing approach. Use of production lines is optimized. Suppliers are required to ensure just-in-time deliveries.

BMW depends upon a network of over 100 auto parts suppliers from all over the globe (see here). Because of imposed COVID-19 crisis measures getting tighter, the supply chain of all car manufacturers inevitably got disrupted. Several announced to suspend production. For example, on March 18, 2020 BMW announced to interrupt production until April 19, 2020 (end of the Easter vacation) (see here). And this extension could be merely a first step, rather than a final step (possibility of further extension depending on the COVID-19 crisis situation development + new situation of suppliers).

A production stop this size and the uncertainty of near future prospects, is (also) a logistic nightmare. As everyone with a job or business, for sure also lots of teams at car manufacturers scramble to discuss the sake of all existing time schedules (maintain, modify, postpone or shelve projects). With the unknown parameter of knowing the exact timing of normalization. Exceptional circumstances require exceptional measures.

Production of the F82 M4 CS ended last month and end of production of the F82 M4 is scheduled for June 2020. BMW production in Europe and South Africa is now interrupted till 19 April 2020. Depending on the further evolution of the COVID-19 crisis and global economic recession, the production interruption period could be extended, of course (IMHO in a month we will look back to today with the thought that we did not fathom the magnitude of the nightmare awaiting us). If production interruption is extended till the end of June, the F82 M4 production is in principle dusted and done as we speak, except if BMW decides to extend the EOP. But the G80 M3 and G82 M4 are waiting behind the corner (November 2020, if not rescheduled).

No info as to what BMW plans to do with the M2 CS. I know someone who ordered an M2 CS, scheduled for April 2020 production, who got notified last week by his dealer that production of his M2 CS has been postponed for an indefinite period of time. IMHO the possibility that BMW shelves the M2 CS is unrealistic (too late, too expensive and too prejudicial to cancel). I also consider it unlikely that BMW reduces the scheduled (profitable) 2200 quantity. I consider it more likely that BMW extends the initial EOP for the M2 CS (September 2020 for EUR-spec - December 2020 for the US-spec) to June 2021, which is EOP of the M2C. IMHO that would make sense.
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Starting March until September. Production is on hold. My CS was planned for week 18 (end of April) but received now status 105 : Order out of Product.Period.
Uncertainty about a restart.
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My M2 CS is planned for week 19. Also status 105 😑
Sorry to hear that your orders got coronized.
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No info as to what BMW plans to do with the M2 CS. I know someone who ordered an M2 CS, scheduled for April 2020 production, who got notified last week by his dealer that production of his M2 CS has been postponed for an indefinite period of time. IMHO the possibility that BMW shelves the M2 CS is unrealistic (too late, too expensive and too prejudicial to cancel). I also consider it unlikely that BMW reduces the scheduled (profitable) 2200 quantity. I consider it more likely that BMW extends the initial EOP for the M2 CS (September 2020 for EUR-spec - December 2020 for the US-spec) to June 2021, which is EOP of the M2C. IMHO that would make sense.
I hope you're right Artemis! I found out about the European Delivery program about ten years ago and have been waiting (about fours years) for this final iteration of the M2 to buy with that purpose in mind. If production is pushed back to match the end of the F87 line then I will have a chance of getting my CS in the summer of '21. Obviously a lot of variables in the mix but that is my hope at least! I've been waiting and looking forward to this for a long time now. Fingers crossed...
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