[BAN_M2C]

No details yet, went to the dealer and they got the M5 Competition buildable in their system yesterday. Hoping the M2 pops up soon in their system as a buildable configuration.

It's crazy this has been delayed so much..

[RedCarrot]

Originally Posted by Tag

Poor M2c, she gets fat shamed on a daily basis. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Yeah, she's put on a few lbs, but I'd still hit it.

Haha... this is funny. Glad many of us are able to keep the discussion lighthearted.

FWIW, I am fat-shaming the BMW bean counters, not the M2C. The car didn't do anything wrong. I would like to tie those extra 150 lbs to the bean counters' ankles and tell them to go for a swim.

[vasi_M3]

Even if BMW plays tricks with a quicker steering to mask the extra weight...placebo is a bitch and this car will feel heavier to people because it's in their head now.



....I've been saying it for some time...M4 GTS at high $80s and the M3CS once it starts to depreciate will end up being the best ///M cars/value of this F-ing generation...pun intended

[mpilot26]

This car is heavier because of all the cooling requirements for the S55 engine and it is also why BMW is offering an unprecedented amount of M performance carbon fiber reinforced plastic parts for this car to lower the weight for all of us enthusiasts. It all has to do with platform sharing and costs. The M2 can't step on the M3 and the M4 and thus BMW had to make the best weight saving measures optional M performance parts. But it does make the argument for purchasing an M3 or M4 CS much easier. We will have to see what a fully loaded M2 with all the extra carbon fiber bits will cost. I bet it touches 90k

[Spa2k]

90K what? You can’t possibly mean U.S. dollars - not even if it had carbon fiber windows. The world would end.

[damnitBobby]

Not surprised at the weight figures at all. The regular M2 wasn't that much lighter than the M4 to begin with.

If you already have a M3/4, there is no point in even considering this car.

If you are in the market for a M car then I would definitely get the M2 competition over the M4. But I would get the M3 over both.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by BAN_M2

How much difference can 150 pounds really make?

When I push my M2 around the track I do some laps alone and some with a passenger and the added weight from the passenger has never shown to throw off the driving behavior enough for me to notice.

Whats the weight difference between a current M2 and an M3ZCP? I drove those back to back on a full track and the difference was noticeable. But not sure it was the weight itself or the wheelbase difference.

Yes but the front seats are nearly in the middle of the car. If anything having a passenger keeps your car more neutral. Go look at your car's side profile. The front two seats are made to be right in the middle of the car.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

If you are in the market for a M car then I would definitely get the M2 competition over the M4. But I would get the M3 over both.

Any particular reason? You just prefer the utility of 4 doors?

The M3/4 are personally a little big for me, but I will admit that the M3 is currently one of the best looking cars out there, especially in the 4-door sedan market.

But I don't want anything bigger than a 2-series.
I had a 5 series service loaner recently and while it was quick for a big car, I felt like I was piloting the USS Nimitz down the road.

[damnitBobby]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Any particular reason? You just prefer the utility of 4 doors?

The M3/4 are personally a little big for me, but I will admit that the M3 is currently one of the best looking cars out there, especially in the 4-door sedan market.

But I don't want anything bigger than a 2-series.
I had a 5 series service loaner recently and while it was quick for a big car, I felt like I was piloting the USS Nimitz down the road.

It's a combination of utility and I also think the M3 is a really good looking sedan.

[eau_rouge]

Unbelievable. This has to stop. 1730kg for a car like this with driver and fluids? Thats pathetic. I know BMW M will make you not feel the weight of the car, but where is the end of all of this? The M2 is such a "small" car (at least compared to the M4), and weighs 1730kg...jesus...

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

After many years on track over many cars, I can say that weight in the passenger seat (or in the middle of the car) doesn't make as much of a difference as weight at both ends.

So long as the bulk of this weight is between the axles, it's going to be noticeable but only barely. If the weight is ON any of the axles, it'll be very noticeable and the car will not feel as tossable - which is why we all bought the M2.

Weight distribution has barely changed. Not all on the front like many were saying for weeks. That rumored has been debunked.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Weight distribution has barely changed. Not all on the front like many were saying for weeks. That rumored has been debunked.

Did you notice the outgoing M2's weight distribution is better when equipped with DCT, but is worse by 1% on the M2c w/DCT? I really wonder if that's just another typo, because it doesn't make any sense. The MT weight distribution is exactly the same for both cars.

M2 Total weight MT: 3,450-lbs……(Front 51.9% / Rear 48.1%)
M2 Total weight DCT: 3,505-lbs….(Front 51.4% / Rear 48.6%)

M2c Total weight MT: 3,600-lbs……(Front 51.9% / Rear 48.1%)
M2c Total weight DCT: 3,655-lbs….(Front 52.4% / Rear 47.6%)

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by eau_rouge

Unbelievable. This has to stop. 1730kg for a car like this with driver and fluids? Thats pathetic. I know BMW M will make you not feel the weight of the car, but where is the end of all of this? The M2 is such a "small" car (at least compared to the M4), and weighs 1730kg...jesus...

Where did you come up with 1730kb or 3813 lbs? I thought it was supposed to be around 3600 lbs (150 more than 3450 M2 base)

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by Tag

Did you notice the outgoing M2's weight distribution is better when equipped with DCT, but is worse by 1% on the M2c w/DCT? I really wonder if that's just another typo, because it doesn't make any sense. The MT weight distribution is exactly the same for both cars.

M2 Total weight MT: 3,450-lbs……(Front 51.9% / Rear 48.1%)
M2 Total weight DCT: 3,505-lbs….(Front 51.4% / Rear 48.6%)

M2c Total weight MT: 3,600-lbs……(Front 51.9% / Rear 48.1%)
M2c Total weight DCT: 3,655-lbs….(Front 52.4% / Rear 47.6%)

That is not correct as we discussed here before The same way they mixed up weight numbers, they also mixed up weight distribution numbers. In other words OG M2 6MT is 51.4/48.6 and DCT is 51.9/48.1.

Edit: You have a nice breakdown of weight on the first page of this thread. Maybe you can update your post with the accurate weight distribution.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

It's a combination of utility and I also think the M3 is a really good looking sedan.

Agree! I'm number one on the list for the M2C but… I've arranged a test drive of a mineral Gray competition package M3 for later this afternoon. There's no question the M3 looks nicer than the M2 and now that it has the same crappy sounding engine and weighs about the same I may as well grab the 4 door version for easier access to my kids car seats.(carbon fiber roof and other accessories included)

[rave426]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteM2

Who cares about the weight :

Look at the other figures for example, 80-120kph in fourth gear in 3.1seconds is actually quite good. That will drop to roughly 2.5sec if going though the gear during acceleration.

M2 Comp 404bhp 550nm 80-120 in fourth 3.1secs

Porsche 991 GTS 450bhp 550nm 80-120 in fourth 4.5secs

My mapped 420bhp/600nm M2 does 80-120kph in 2.8 in fourth gear and 2.3sec going through the gears. (Remap, intercooler and 200cat)

Going off those figures the M2 Comp is not going to be a slouch.

"Who cares about the weight" ??

Lol..wow...BMW's market has changed dramatically.

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by rave426

Lol..wow...BMW's market has changed dramatically.

Not all of it. Road-hugging weight (like a 1963 Chevy Impala) is not a virtue.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by cntzl

That is not correct as we discussed here before The same way they mixed up weight numbers, they also mixed up weight distribution numbers. In other words OG M2 6MT is 51.4/48.6 and DCT is 51.9/48.1.

Edit: You have a nice breakdown of weight on the first page of this thread. Maybe you can update your post with the accurate weight distribution.

Good catch, the M2 numbers have been updated on the first page. This really puts the spot light on the M2c numbers now. I can't say I trust them as they seem to also be a crossed copy paste of the outgoing M2 numbers and for DCT skewed by 1%.

Thanks again for the shitty oversight on your technical specs, BMW.

[Merstopher]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

No MT in the Audi.
Sorry, that's a must-have for a fun car for me.

Cars are becoming less and less connected to the driver, so I like to maintain the deeper connectedness that MT gives you.

Plus, I like the control over when it shifts.
And before anybody says "but you can shift manually with a DCT..." just stop. DCT is still an automatic transmission. Even in manual mode, it will still shift automatically if you hit its mode-based shift points on the top or bottom end.
DCT May be faster, and it's great tech, but at the end of the day, it's just a fancy AT with some degree of manual controllability (that it will override if it wants to).

I'm not saying everybody should get MT, it's not for everyone, but for me it's the only way to fly (and yes, I DD A 6MT every day in my commute in stop-and-go Boston area traffic, and don't consider it the least bit burdensome - it's just part of the joy of driving).

Not diving into the technical debate on DCT=manual (or not), but I whole-heartedly agree. I've been with Audi for a decade, and probably would stay with them if they hadn't moved away from MT in performance variants. So I am getting an M2... maybe a blessing in disguise - moving me into the BMW realm. And bonus, the M2 is faster, more agile, and much less expensive than my old RS4!

One more month til I have her...

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by Merstopher

Not diving into the technical debate on DCT=manual (or not), but I whole-heartedly agree. I've been with Audi for a decade, and probably would stay with them if they hadn't moved away from MT in performance variants. So I am getting an M2... maybe a blessing in disguise - moving me into the BMW realm. And bonus, the M2 is faster, more agile, and much less expensive than my old RS4!

One more month til I have her...

Yeah, I had always wanted an RS. For years I drooled over the RS4. Then the TTRS. Then the RS5. When I finally have the means to get one, they are no longer MT.
So, Audi is categorically a no-go for me. Bon Voyage.

As long as BMW still continues to make smaller performance cars with MT, I will likely continue to be a BMW customer.

When they stop, I will probably go elsewhere, unless I'm too old by then to care about a connected driving experience.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by Merstopher

Not diving into the technical debate on DCT=manual (or not), but I whole-heartedly agree. I've been with Audi for a decade, and probably would stay with them if they hadn't moved away from MT in performance variants. So I am getting an M2... maybe a blessing in disguise - moving me into the BMW realm. And bonus, the M2 is faster, more agile, and much less expensive than my old RS4!

One more month til I have her...

I went to order an S4 DD and was told no manual. I owned a B9 before that in manual 6MT. I have not bought an Audi since, even an SUV. It is my way of showing my frustration. They indicated to me they are not an enthusiast oriented car manufacturer.

[Bt12]

If I am reading the weight right... M2C. = Fat aszz. Lol. Big girls need love too.