[Toroinu]

Hi All!

I’m new here but I’ve recently decided to search for a used m2c.

Wanted to asked what are some of your experience when buying from dealers and private sellers?

Most m2c in the market have 2+ owners now, is this something that’s pretty standard or should I continue waiting for a single owner car?

Also any ways in checking if the car has ever been tuned/abused?

These are just some things on the top of mind but any tips would help!

[DrJLag420]

Originally Posted by Toroinu

Hi All!

I'm new here but I've recently decided to search for a used m2c.

Wanted to asked what are some of your experience when buying from dealers and private sellers?

Most m2c in the market have 2+ owners now, is this something that's pretty standard or should I continue waiting for a single owner car?

Also any ways in checking if the car has ever been tuned/abused?

These are just some things on the top of mind but any tips would help!

I've seen a few single owner low mile M2Cs. Some have been posted for in this forum. Search FS and you will see a couple examples. Some have been sold I think. Typically under 10k miles. Usually they are $66k+. I would wait to get a low mile single owner M2C if you got the patience and want to pay premium price. I would make sure they have gotten their early oil change service (1000/1200 miles?). I'm waiting for the G87 M2C. That isn't some peeps cup of tea…to each their own. Good luck!

[DanG]

Since the oldest M2C is three years old, there should be several one owner vehicles available. I definitely would not want to be a third owner of a relatively new vehicle.

[Toroinu]

Originally Posted by DanG

Since the oldest M2C is three years old, there should be several one owner vehicles available. I definitely would not want to be a third owner of a relatively new vehicle.

That’s what I’m thinking too. But most of the alpine white/DCT have two owners and if it’s single owner they go for 70k+ here in California.

I guess I’ll keep waiting

[DLEFTY]

Your cash, YOU must be comfortable.

I recently picked up my first ever M-car, a '20 M2 Competition, and since an extra car, I didn't care to pay a premium for low miles, car had 28,xxx on it when I purchased it. Modern cars will run fine for a long time, so that kind of mileage doesn't bother me. If my only toy, then maybe I would have paid a premium for low miles, but wasn't worth it to me in this instance.

History showed it was someone's well cared for daily, as all service intervals, and suggested maintenance items were done. My example is a very clean well cared for "keeper".....but I made the effort to do the homework, as I would encourage anyone.
Even if the one you chase down doesn't have a nice BMW dealer service history, no need to panic, so many BMW / German service specialist independents out there that can service the cars properly too, just make sure that is the case for the car you are looking at based on what you can dig up.

My many, many......many experiences, I could care less how many owners, plenty of enthusiasts out there in the sports car / enthusiast car market that go through cars every 6-18 months, they got to have the new one, then after the experience they move to the next new one they must have and over and over.... so that is irrelevant to me.

What would concern me more is if there was an accident history on a car you are looking at, and immediately following that the car went through multiple owners. But even if a minor accident and the person held the car for several years after, you know its fine or they would have ditched it.

I personally find PPI's usually worthless as well, as anyone can see seeping or leaking oil and not have to be trained to do that, nobody can tell you a sensor is going out in 37 days, etc.....just an example, but PPI cannot predict, only see what's there now.

[Toroinu]

I don’t mind the higher miles myself as well. Right now My focus is the correct color/trans spec with a clean accident free carfax. Multiple owners in my opinion just increase the chances of it being used and abused in my opinion.

Sometimes it’s hard to inspect cars and get a true understanding of weather or not the car was well taken care of based on the carfax. This is especially the case if The sale isn’t local for me to see the car in person.

I’ve also had experience with purchasing a car with a clean carfax and a few months later, an accident pops up post sale from the previous owner.

I saw what I would consider “well taken care” m2c on a lot. Single owner, all oil/service done properly at local BMW service center. Clean carfax, zero accidents. When I asked for pictures of the car, I found that the rear bumper was destroyed and the dealer informed me that they are fixing it before selling.

I asked if there will be an accident on the carfax and they informed me that they are not sure if the previous customer reported it or not. Now props to this salesman for being honest but I can imagine most of the time this will not be the case. Once it’s repaired, it could take a month or two for the carfax to update and by that time, this car would be sold with a “clean” carfax.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Toroinu

Hi All!

I’m new here but I’ve recently decided to search for a used m2c.

Wanted to asked what are some of your experience when buying from dealers and private sellers?

Most m2c in the market have 2+ owners now, is this something that’s pretty standard or should I continue waiting for a single owner car?

Also any ways in checking if the car has ever been tuned/abused?

These are just some things on the top of mind but any tips would help!

I'm not sure a tune is so terrible considering the motor is detuned to make less power than the motor is supposed to from factory.

Anyway it's almost impossible to tune 2021 models and 2020 models after June 2019 manufacturer date.

[Toroinu]

Originally Posted by akkando

I'm not sure a tune is so terrible considering the motor is detuned to make less power than the motor is supposed to from factory.

Anyway it's almost impossible to tune 2021 models and 2020 models after June 2019 manufacturer date.

Personally a tune can mean that the car was abused. A lot of times people just throw a tune on it, beat it up and say “it’s the next owners problem now.” Especially when people try to push high power with stock crankhub. Obviously this is not the case for every car/owner but being in California this is the sad truth and have to be considered for all used cars.

That’s good to know about 2021 not being able to get tuned but I do see a 2020 m2 for sale that is currently stage 2 at the moment. Would a ppi or someone be able to read the ecu to see if it’s ever been flashed?

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by DanG

Since the oldest M2C is three years old, there should be several one owner vehicles available. I definitely would not want to be a third owner of a relatively new vehicle.

Make that four years (calendar years anyway, of course the first model year was 2019)! Well, give me two more months, and the M2C will be four years since delivery day and also out of warranty. 15k miles on it, zero warranty claims, no issues since new. The dealership I purchased it from sold a number of M2Cs prior to mine in September, so I believe the first deliveries began in July.

[allinon72]

It's kinda funny…people insist on buying a car that hasn't been tuned, then promptly put a tune on it and every aftermarket part under the sun. I understand wanting a clean car but if the car has been beat on, it will show you in other ways, mostly interior/exterior cosmetic conditions. Those who truly abuse an M car enough to hurt it (read: it takes a lot of abuse) won't be kind to any part of the car and that will be obvious.

[Maynard]

Good luck in the hunt, should be a fair number of these, but right now people think they are worth more than new so the market may need a reality check first. Once the new versions arrive I expect the M2Cs will take a price hit just like the OG M2's did, and more available as people will be wanting to swap to the newer model. If you haven't already, join the BMW CCA - sometimes they have M2's in their ads, and they would be a good resource for out of area r.e. reliable BMW specialty shops for PPI, or perhaps even to find somebody to take a look for you. Put in a WTB listing too.

Checking for a previous tune would be an essential part of a purchase, even w/o a PPI, both for peace of mind and to guarantee waranty coverage. This applies to both true flashtunes (the ones that don't work on modern versions) and the add-on dongles that are more common. Dealers can (and will) detect tunes and deny warranty coverage if you end up with a big $$ problem. Vendors all say their tunes can be removed without any traces, and they are all mistaken. A previous poster was naive to say that tunes are obvious from signs of wear, or unlikely to cause damage. With many tunes the click of a few menu buttons let you jack up engine output to levels where it is not hard to damage internals, especially damage that shows up later (as one of those expensive warranty items - bearings, rings, turbos, etc.). Tunes also correllate with the kind of hooning that adds to that damage. If it were me, I'd want a dealership to do this part of the inspection, with documentation that they found no signs of a tune - then if there are problems later you have recourse. Also important for warranty coverage is that the car actually got the initial break in service; with COVID it became more common for this to be 'late' but if it was actually skipped that is a big red flag, and has been used to deny warranty.

As noted,carfax is iffy, especially the 'cleanliness' aspect. A mechanic can often spot repaired/replaced body panels, signs of heavy track use, cheap inferior repairs/parts, etc. A good PPI is even more important if you want a manual, since operator error can cause a lot of damage from even a few missed shifts or riding the clutch.

And CPO is not a PPI, it is more like a dealership sales gimmick.

[keylime503]

So you guys are telling me that I could make $10k by selling my single owner '21 M2C 6MT with 9,500 miles on it?

[cvitt]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Make that four years (calendar years anyway, of course the first model year was 2019)! Well, give me two more months, and the M2C will be four years since delivery day and also out of warranty. 15k miles on it, zero warranty claims, no issues since new. The dealership I purchased it from sold a number of M2Cs prior to mine in September, so I believe the first deliveries began in July.

First m2c according to realoem is 10/2016 …

Mine is from 07/2018 … so it's not 2019

[DanG]

Originally Posted by cvitt

First m2c according to realoem is 10/2016 …

Mine is from 07/2018 … so it's not 2019

LOL. No way is the first production M2C 10/2016. First production was July 2018 with first delivery in early 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M2

[MooMooM2]

Yeah real oem is wrong.

I thought first delivery was 2019 but I was corrected by people that got their comps in 2018

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by cvitt

First m2c according to realoem is 10/2016 …

Mine is from 07/2018 … so it's not 2019

Mine was built in 06/2018, but it's officially a 2019 model year car. There is no such thing as a 2018 M2C in the North American market. For BMWs, typically the model year used to run from Aug prior year through July of the model year (for North American production); however in the past 15 years or so, they've strayed from that at times even starting the next model year with March production. Take the E9x M3 for example -- the 2011 model year started with March 2010 production with updates as of Sept 2010 and Mar 2011.

In the M2C's case, regular production in volume appears to have begun in May/June 2018 for North American market cars.

[golf4501]

Mine is a March 2019 build and a 2020 model. i believe 2020 models started building in late February 2019

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by golf4501

Mine is a March 2019 build and a 2020 model. i believe 2020 models started building in late February 2019

Should be March 2019 as SOP for 2020 model year M2C. I had been #3 on allocation list at my local dealer since early 2018, and by September when their #2 allocation was filled with production in October 2018, it looked like the next one might be built in Jan or Feb 2019. With 2020 model year beginning in March, I was going to push it forward for their 4th slot and get a 2020 but then came across the exact car I was going to order, available at a dealer out of state -- they even gave me an $1100 discount. Fly, drive home, perfect outcome.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by allinon72

It's kinda funny…people insist on buying a car that hasn't been tuned, then promptly put a tune on it and every aftermarket part under the sun. I understand wanting a clean car but if the car has been beat on, it will show you in other ways, mostly interior/exterior cosmetic conditions. Those who truly abuse an M car enough to hurt it (read: it takes a lot of abuse) won't be kind to any part of the car and that will be obvious.

Mostly agree, but 2020 and 2021 cars will still be in warranty, so in that regard I would definitely not want a tuned car.

[COChris]

I took delivery of my M2C mid-September 2018. I think it was the second to hit the ground in Colorado.

Fun fact - longest I've ever kept a car! No plans to sell. She's a keeper.

[golf4501]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Should be March 2019 as SOP for 2020 model year M2C. I had been #3 on allocation list at my local dealer since early 2018, and by September when their #2 allocation was filled with production in October 2018, it looked like the next one might be built in Jan or Feb 2019. With 2020 model year beginning in March, I was going to push it forward for their 4th slot and get a 2020 but then came across the exact car I was going to order, available at a dealer out of state -- they even gave me an $1100 discount. Fly, drive home, perfect outcome.

That makes sense. I was also number 3 at my dealer, and they called me in January and said I could get one in February but decided to wait to get a 2020 model

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Toroinu

Personally a tune can mean that the car was abused.

The other risk of buying a used tuned car:
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1491357