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      10-04-2019, 02:57 PM   #177
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i'm so confused... how come people need the 5mm spacers and some don't?

2PUTT is running the wheels on 255/35 and 275/35 without any spacers and he has no issues...

i'm on kwv3 and pretty slammed... maybe Apex can confirm, i want the wheels on 255/35 and 275/35 with no camber kits and no spacers and zero rubbing issues, is this possible?
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i'm so confused... how come people need the 5mm spacers and some don't?

2PUTT is running the wheels on 255/35 and 275/35 without any spacers and he has no issues...

i'm on kwv3 and pretty slammed... maybe Apex can confirm, i want the wheels on 255/35 and 275/35 with no camber kits and no spacers and zero rubbing issues, is this possible?
We're running the 265/295 setup. I'm on R888R's.
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BRUHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

needs full specs on size: wheels and tires please!

what suspension are you on? camber kits? spacers? any rubbing? tell me more!!!

i'm going to straight copy that! LMAO!
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My set up!
BRUHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

needs full specs on size: wheels and tires please!

what suspension are you on? camber kits? spacers? any rubbing? tell me more!!!

i'm going to straight copy that! LMAO!
Apex fl7 9,5+28/10,5+45, 5mm spacers all round, KW HAS kit full low down, 265/295 toyo r888r, -2.00 front, -2.10 back, a bit of rubbing on hard bumps.

Planning to go ohlins suspension kit and removing spacer to eliminate rubbing on arches.
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Looks very nice CrazyK!
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Apex fl7 9,5+28/10,5+45, 5mm spacers all round, KW HAS kit full low down, 265/295 toyo r888r, -2.00 front, -2.10 back, a bit of rubbing on hard bumps.

Planning to go ohlins suspension kit and removing spacer to eliminate rubbing on arches.
anybody running this setup with the M-Perfomance Coilover kit?
would love to run the APEX wheels with no spacers if i can get away with it.

CrazyK Looks damn good
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      10-07-2019, 12:37 PM   #184
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i'm so confused... how come people need the 5mm spacers and some don't?

2PUTT is running the wheels on 255/35 and 275/35 without any spacers and he has no issues...

i'm on kwv3 and pretty slammed... maybe Apex can confirm, i want the wheels on 255/35 and 275/35 with no camber kits and no spacers and zero rubbing issues, is this possible?
Due to the "bulkier" design of the KW and BMW M performance coilover systems, this 5mm spacer is required for clearance if you plan to fit the 19x9.5 ET28 up front. Tire size, brand, and compound can have a direct impact on fitment as well. Not all tires are the exact advertised size!

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Apex fl7 9,5+28/10,5+45, 5mm spacers all round, KW HAS kit full low down, 265/295 toyo r888r, -2.00 front, -2.10 back, a bit of rubbing on hard bumps.

Planning to go ohlins suspension kit and removing spacer to eliminate rubbing on arches.
These are the EC-7 wheels in a 19x9.5 ET28 up front and a 19x10.5 ET45 in the rear. We wouldn't recommend the 5mm spacers in the rear, as this is what is causing your current rubbing issues. Running a bit more camber up front would also eliminate some of the rubbing on the fenders there as well!

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anybody running this setup with the M-Perfomance Coilover kit?
would love to run the APEX wheels with no spacers if i can get away with it.

CrazyK Looks damn good
As noted above, the M performance system is the same design as the KW HAS kit and does limit inner clearance compared to the OEM suspension. This suspension system does require a 5mm spacer up front to aid in clearance!

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maybe a stupid question but with mperf would getting a et23 front eliminate need for spacer.
wanting to run 265 35 with minimal drop and camber plates
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maybe a stupid question but with mperf would getting a et23 front eliminate need for spacer.
wanting to run 265 35 with minimal drop and camber plates
well that was my next Question
apex has a 22 offset wheel which will help with more clearance on the strut but than we sit with the option of rubbing as CrazyK is essentially running a 23mm offset currently.


I also dont want to buy wheels and than need to add spacers kinda defeats the object.
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maybe a stupid question but with mperf would getting a et23 front eliminate need for spacer.
wanting to run 265 35 with minimal drop and camber plates
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well that was my next Question
apex has a 22 offset wheel which will help with more clearance on the strut but than we sit with the option of rubbing as CrazyK is essentially running a 23mm offset currently.

I also dont want to buy wheels and than need to add spacers kinda defeats the object.
M2 and M2C front fitments can be quite tricky, as they are not as accommodating of a wide wheel and tire fitment when compared to the other F8x chassis cars.

While we do offer a 19x9.5 ET22 fitment that CAN work for the M2C, it is not something that we recommend unless the car is used for track work only. The ET22 up front is very aggressive and will require at least -2˚ of camber up front, meaning that you will likely need camber plates.

The ET28 fitment is much less aggressive and was designed to maximize front tire widths without the need to run camber up front with stock suspension. The ET28 will require a 5mm spacer to clear the various KW HAS based systems. We would recommend a bit of negative camber dialed in to allow for proper fender clearance, especially if you plan to fit an aggressive 265mm front tire.

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maybe a stupid question but with mperf would getting a et23 front eliminate need for spacer.
wanting to run 265 35 with minimal drop and camber plates
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well that was my next Question
apex has a 22 offset wheel which will help with more clearance on the strut but than we sit with the option of rubbing as CrazyK is essentially running a 23mm offset currently.

I also dont want to buy wheels and than need to add spacers kinda defeats the object.
M2 and M2C front fitments can be quite tricky, as they are not as accommodating of a wide wheel and tire fitment when compared to the other F8x chassis cars.

While we do offer a 19x9.5 ET22 fitment that CAN work for the M2C, it is not something that we recommend unless the car is used for track work only. The ET22 up front is very aggressive and will require at least -2˚ of camber up front, meaning that you will likely need camber plates.

The ET28 fitment is much less aggressive and was designed to maximize front tire widths without the need to run camber up front with stock suspension. The ET28 will require a 5mm spacer to clear the various KW HAS based systems. We would recommend a bit of negative camber dialed in to allow for proper fender clearance, especially if you plan to fit an aggressive 265mm front tire.

- Max
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maybe a stupid question but with mperf would getting a et23 front eliminate need for spacer.
wanting to run 265 35 with minimal drop and camber plates
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well that was my next Question
apex has a 22 offset wheel which will help with more clearance on the strut but than we sit with the option of rubbing as CrazyK is essentially running a 23mm offset currently.

I also dont want to buy wheels and than need to add spacers kinda defeats the object.
M2 and M2C front fitments can be quite tricky, as they are not as accommodating of a wide wheel and tire fitment when compared to the other F8x chassis cars.

While we do offer a 19x9.5 ET22 fitment that CAN work for the M2C, it is not something that we recommend unless the car is used for track work only. The ET22 up front is very aggressive and will require at least -2˚ of camber up front, meaning that you will likely need camber plates.

The ET28 fitment is much less aggressive and was designed to maximize front tire widths without the need to run camber up front with stock suspension. The ET28 will require a 5mm spacer to clear the various KW HAS based systems. We would recommend a bit of negative camber dialed in to allow for proper fender clearance, especially if you plan to fit an aggressive 265mm front tire.

- Max
So with a -2.5 camber there shouldn't be issue
I like the beefy tire look and will allow me to run re71r without stretching a 255.
also maintaining reasonable amount of front splitter clearance
thoughts?
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So with a -2.5 camber there shouldn't be issue
I like the beefy tire look and will allow me to run re71r without stretching a 255.
also maintaining reasonable amount of front splitter clearance
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I have Camber plates and really hope so!!
not a fan of the stretched look either and hope I can either use a Sport Cup 2
with a 255/275 or trofeo R/R888R with 265/30 & 295/30.
hopefully with camber we can get away with using the 22 offset rim with no Spacer.
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Wheels and tires on with the 265/295 R888r setup. Definitely happy with the look and happy about the tire size. However, my goal was to acquire wheels that provided the contact patch I was looking for without spacers which these wheels do not achieve since I have the M Performance coilovers. Can't win them all I guess.
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maybe a stupid question but with mperf would getting a et23 front eliminate need for spacer.
wanting to run 265 35 with minimal drop and camber plates
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well that was my next Question
apex has a 22 offset wheel which will help with more clearance on the strut but than we sit with the option of rubbing as CrazyK is essentially running a 23mm offset currently.

I also dont want to buy wheels and than need to add spacers kinda defeats the object.
M2 and M2C front fitments can be quite tricky, as they are not as accommodating of a wide wheel and tire fitment when compared to the other F8x chassis cars.

While we do offer a 19x9.5 ET22 fitment that CAN work for the M2C, it is not something that we recommend unless the car is used for track work only. The ET22 up front is very aggressive and will require at least -2˚ of camber up front, meaning that you will likely need camber plates.

The ET28 fitment is much less aggressive and was designed to maximize front tire widths without the need to run camber up front with stock suspension. The ET28 will require a 5mm spacer to clear the various KW HAS based systems. We would recommend a bit of negative camber dialed in to allow for proper fender clearance, especially if you plan to fit an aggressive 265mm front tire.

- Max
Whitch coilovers have you tried?
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I think it’s worth trying the 5mm. Seems crazy that >ET23 would be required to clear the MPS.

wanofakind01 is running V3’s with 255/35 RE-71R with no issues and the math says a 5mm spacer would be enough for a 265/30 to clear if the V3’s and MPS are the same size.

If it clears statically with a couple mm to spare, it should be good dynamically. Sidewall deflection isn’t a concern on the topside of the tire where it would rub the strut.
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Yep, running 5mm spacer with the 255/35/19 RE71s on KWs, which puts me at around ET23. I can't imagine needing to go beyond that. The 255 RE71s are beefy tires, they likely closer to a 265 Michelin.
Used 7.5mm turner spacers at my last trackday.

No rubbing on the fender or the spring collar. I'm going to stick with 7.5's to get a little extra space on the inside.
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Wheels and tires on with the 265/295 R888r setup. Definitely happy with the look and happy about the tire size. However, my goal was to acquire wheels that provided the contact patch I was looking for without spacers which these wheels do not achieve since I have the M Performance coilovers. Can't win them all I guess.
What offset front wheel did you go with?
I assume the 28mm? are you running camber plates? I am pretty confident a 265/30 R888R will clear with no spacer with 22 offset but will need camber.
How many many mm clearance do you have between strut and tyre now with your spacer.
care to measure if you have some time.

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Expert@ApexRaceParts any plans on any other M2C specific setup that doesnt require spacers and that is lighter than this EC7 setup? Been waiting for you guys to launch something else Competition specific.
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Apex EC-7
Pirelli Trofeo R. front 265/30/19, rear 295/30/19
Spacers front 7,5 mm
KW Competition 2-way
Camber: front 2.3 rear 2.1

Installed the spacer for testing. The spacer can be removed. The distance to the suspension is about 4-5 mm.
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Apex EC-7
Pirelli Trofeo R. front 265/30/19, rear 295/30/19
Spacers front 7,5 mm
KW Competition 2-way
Camber: front 2.3 rear 2.1

Installed the spacer for testing. The spacer can be removed. The distance to the suspension is about 4-5 mm.
Awesome thanks for the pics and this is the same tyre i will be running as well.

How sick does the m2 look with meaty Tyres, and the trofeos are FIRE!

Care to Share what offset front wheel you used?
28 or the 22 9.5J
Glad to know Either will work, 28 with 7.5mm Spacer bring you to 20.5ET

Thanks again for the pics and the info on your setup!
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Wheels and tires on with the 265/295 R888r setup. Definitely happy with the look and happy about the tire size. However, my goal was to acquire wheels that provided the contact patch I was looking for without spacers which these wheels do not achieve since I have the M Performance coilovers. Can't win them all I guess.
Thanks for sharing the photos! The car came out great with the Anthracite wheels.

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Expert@ApexRaceParts any plans on any other M2C specific setup that doesnt require spacers and that is lighter than this EC7 setup? Been waiting for you guys to launch something else Competition specific.

This is a great question. Just to clarify, the 19x9.5" ET28 EC-7 does not require spacers when used with stock suspension or lowering springs. Spacers are only needed when using certain adjustable coilovers like KW, Öhlins, or the BMW M Performance kit which is made by KW.

To avoid spacers with the setups mentioned above, the 19x9.5" ET22 can be used, but it will require camber plates and around -2.0º or more of front negative camber in order to clear.

Coilovers can be used with the ET28 without spacers with the correct spring configuration. This means a short linear main spring without helper springs, and a smaller strut body diameter which can be found on dampers from JRZ (we sell these), MCS, Moton, etc.

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