[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by F87source

From what I hear those are really bitey because their coefficent of friction is so high, but yes they have fantastic linear performance throughout their heat range. It might not be the best for everyone because of how aggressive they are, so maybe a DS1.11 or DSUNO would be better, lower coefficent of friction so they don't bite as hard and offer better modulation - again good on rotors, and linear throughout their heat range.


But yeah I liked using Ferodo in the past too, really good stuff.

They are very "edgy" until they're hot....Then they're awesome

[F87source]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

They are very "edgy" until they're hot....Then they're awesome

Good stuff. I love ferodo, used their compounds alot with my supercharged frs.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by F87source

Good stuff. I love ferodo, used their compounds alot with my supercharged frs.

I had a 2013 FRS...

Loved the car HATED THE MOTOR

[F87source]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

I had a 2013 FRS...

Loved the car HATED THE MOTOR

I loved the car too, and I loved the engine. Coming from an STI with the garbage ej257, the fa20 was awesome! It was so much more durable, and with the super charger it was a pleasure to drive.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

I hate all Suburu motors...

[kart driver]

Does anybody have any experience with Endless MA45B vs Endless ME20?

I am choosing between those two for time attack competition for M2C.

[DrKevM5]

Pagid RS29's are the truth

[F87source]

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

Pagid RS29's are the truth

Ferodos are better, ds1.11 or ds3.12 are significantly better at high temperature fade resistance and durability. Pagids used to be the best but current track reports (alot of m4 guys) from what I am seeing are showing with the stock blue brakes ferodos are much better.

[kart driver]

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

Pagid RS29's are the truth

I had RS29 on my GT3 and didn’t like those.

[ZM2]

My pad experience with the M2:

RS29 < PFC 08 < DS UNO < DS1.11 < PFC 11 < DS3.12

Absolutely hated the RS29. Terrible pedal feel compared to the other listed pads and fell apart at high temps.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by kart driver

Does anybody have any experience with Endless MA45B vs Endless ME20?

I am choosing between those two for time attack competition for M2C.

Here is a guide

https://endless-sport.global/jp/products/pad_1b

Try the new N39S or go with the popular ME20

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by richard in NC

I did the Ferodo DS 2500 pads front and rear. Expensive but worked well at Barber. Also decent on street and no more noise than stock pads.

Although the real test will be Carolina Motorsport Park, which is hard on brakes.

update on this please? Also @mike@X-hp.com has good prices on them.

[richard in NC]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

update on this please? Also @mike@X-hp.com has good prices on them.

No updates yet. I'm waiting on camber plates to come in and be installed before my next track days. I am registered for the Sandlapper Halloween event at CMP but that's late October.

As an occasional daily, the DS2500 are fine and rarely squeal.

[RobA]

I've only tracked my M2 a few times and the only pad I've tried are the Pagid rsl29's. I don't have a ton of experience and I'm certainly not a track hero, so take this for what its worth. I've pushed the car hard enough to know I need a new intercooler and I don't love the Toyo R888r's, but I haven't had any issue with the brakes. With stainless brake lines and appropriate brake fluid, I found the brakes to be very strong.

I have been impressed with how durable the pads are and surprised by how little they squeal when driving on the street when I haven't had time to change them for a week or two after a track session.

I'll probably try a different pad in the future just to see if there is something better out there, but I have no problem recommending the pagids.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by RobA

I've only tracked my M2 a few times and the only pad I've tried are the Pagid rsl29's. I don't have a ton of experience and I'm certainly not a track hero, so take this for what its worth. I've pushed the car hard enough to know I need a new intercooler and I don't love the Toyo R888r's, but I haven't had any issue with the brakes. With stainless brake lines and appropriate brake fluid, I found the brakes to be very strong.

I have been impressed with how durable the pads are and surprised by how little they squeal when driving on the street when I haven't had time to change them for a week or two after a track session.

I'll probably try a different pad in the future just to see if there is something better out there, but I have no problem recommending the pagids.

Please don’t take this as criticism, rather from my experience:

The R888R is probably the worst track tire out there. It’s hardly grippier than the PS4S, so you’re definitely not maximizing the M2’s braking (or handling, or acceleration) capability via better tires.

Throw some good tires on and really start working the brakes, and those Pagid’s are gonna cry for mercy. My RS29's cried for mercy (and cracked) when my car was stock and I was burning up the 3-month old PSS's that came on it, but that was also a 140mph to 45mph braking zone.

PS. I’ve also seen three 911s blow out side walls on rear R888Rs with two almost going into the wall at high speed. Thank goodness they were some very experienced drivers that I roll with and didn’t try to overcorrect.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

update on this please? Also @mike@X-hp.com has good prices on them.

I can fade the DS2500 in some of those back to back 3-4-5 BM3 log pulls that you’ve seen, so I wouldn’t expect them to hold up on a heavy braking track. They’re pretty great for the street, tho, and I’m guessing for AutoX or short session/light braking tracks.

As a matter of fact, I'm remembering now that I cracked a front DS2500 at WGI once. There was snow on the track that morning, so I left my 4S's and DS2500s on and about an hour into the track being open a dry line formed before the bus stop that obviously I'm gonna stay in, vs choosing the snow, and it only took about 5 laps of that braking zone to kill the DS2500. That's a tough braking zone on pads, but I also wasn't pushing as hard as normal to ensure I stayed out of the snow (and wall)!

Heck, per richard in NC I’ve gotten pad fade on DS1.11 at CMP. But, that was after 20min of running back to back 1:46s there, and I could get the pad to come back if I went easy for half a lap. DS3.12 held up perfect, altho, I haven’t been back to CMP with my new Stg 2+ E50 setup that’s pushing serious power for the track, so we’ll see if I can make the 3.12 cry with some back to back 1:44s…? Hah, we’ll see!

[toni8284]

Originally Posted by ZM2

I can fade the DS2500 in some of those back to back 3-4-5 BM3 log pulls that you’ve seen, so I wouldn’t expect them to hold up on a heavy braking track. They’re pretty great for the street, tho, and I’m guessing for AutoX or short session/light braking tracks.

As a matter of fact, I'm remembering now that I cracked a front DS2500 at WGI once. There was snow on the track that morning, so I left my 4S's and DS2500s on and about an hour into the track being open a dry line formed before the bus stop that obviously I'm gonna stay in, vs choosing the snow, and it only took about 5 laps of that braking zone to kill the DS2500. That's a tough braking zone on pads, but I also wasn't pushing as hard as normal to ensure I stayed out of the snow (and wall)!

Heck, per richard in NC I’ve gotten pad fade on DS1.11 at CMP. But, that was after 20min of running back to back 1:46s there, and I could get the pad to come back if I went easy for half a lap. DS3.12 held up perfect, altho, I haven’t been back to CMP with my new Stg 2+ E50 setup that’s pushing serious power for the track, so we’ll see if I can make the 3.12 cry with some back to back 1:44s…? Hah, we’ll see!

I am planning to go to WGI in Sept, which pad will you recommend and that wont break my bank?

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by toni8284

I am planning to go to WGI in Sept, which pad will you recommend and that wont break my bank?

PFC 08 or 11, or Ferodo DS1.11 or DS3.12. Whatever is cheapest for your setup: https://www.bestbrakes.com/

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by ZM2

I can fade the DS2500 in some of those back to back 3-4-5 BM3 log pulls that you’ve seen, so I wouldn’t expect them to hold up on a heavy braking track. They’re pretty great for the street, tho, and I’m guessing for AutoX or short session/light braking tracks.

As a matter of fact, I'm remembering now that I cracked a front DS2500 at WGI once. There was snow on the track that morning, so I left my 4S's and DS2500s on and about an hour into the track being open a dry line formed before the bus stop that obviously I'm gonna stay in, vs choosing the snow, and it only took about 5 laps of that braking zone to kill the DS2500. That's a tough braking zone on pads, but I also wasn't pushing as hard as normal to ensure I stayed out of the snow (and wall)!

Heck, per richard in NC I’ve gotten pad fade on DS1.11 at CMP. But, that was after 20min of running back to back 1:46s there, and I could get the pad to come back if I went easy for half a lap. DS3.12 held up perfect, altho, I haven’t been back to CMP with my new Stg 2+ E50 setup that’s pushing serious power for the track, so we’ll see if I can make the 3.12 cry with some back to back 1:44s…? Hah, we’ll see!

Ugh, you're not making me feel good about this - I bought them from FCP with a free lifetime replacement, vs Xph which had them for half the cost. The throught was it was worth the extra, as long as they held up to some reasonable DD duty. Sounds like it's glorified HAWK HPS pad.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Ugh, you're not making me feel good about this - I bought them from FCP with a free lifetime replacement, vs Xph which had them for half the cost. The throught was it was worth the extra, as long as they held up to some reasonable DD duty. Sounds like it's glorified HAWK HPS pad.

I think you’ll be OK for DD. I tend to use my brakes a good bit more than most folks, and I’m pushing more power that needs to get hauled down from higher speeds.

[10011012]

Originally Posted by Dean_Clevername

I was talked out of the HPS by someone who knows a lot about this stuff. Said they are harder on rotors than other equivalent pads. I was never impressed with my HP Plus for Autox use, so I wasn't in a hurry to try HPS any how.

The m2 is heavy enough that I think a dedicated track pad is worthwhile. I find the stock pads to be inadequate on track. Swapped to Ferodo DS1.11 and AP R4 fluid and was really happy. But I would not use those pads on the street other than to/from the track. You might want to look at DS2500. Better than stock, but not a full track pad that will need heat to work. I found the DC2500 to work great year round even at 25-30deg F track cross events.

Regardless, you should clear the pad deposits before you swap to another pad. Essex has some great videos on this. Basically you need to nearly do a bedding procedure, but not allow the pads to come up to temp to the point of leaving a new transfer layer. Essentially you just want to scrape the old layer/deposits off. Then you can swap to new pads and bed those in. You can even use that procedure to clean and then re-bed your brakes with a fresh transfer layer before events or if they develop a judder from unevenness in the existing transfer layer.

https://www.essexparts.com/support/learning-center--faq

Awesome thanks for the detailed response! I'll check out the clearing procedure as well!

[fleetfoot]

Originally Posted by gsrbri

I've used Pagid RSL 1 and RS29 previously. Switched to PFC 08. I really like the bite/characteristics of the PFC 08. Also, they do a much better job at managing rotor deposits and scraping-off bedded brake material when cold, so if you're swapping between street/race pads between track days, the PFC 08, in my opinion, has been MUCH better. My $.02

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I hear ya. I ran PFC 08 and was very happy with it. After 7 days they had 60% pad remaining. And the pad never faded, was very controllable and played nice when swapping to OEM pads.

I've been swapping between PFC-08 and OEM pads, and the OEM pads had major chunks missing from the middle yesterday when I took them off. Did either of you guys ever have that happen? Any idea why it might have happened to me?