[Poochie]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Civic type r is faster than cs

https://www.thedrive.com/news/31458/...g-drivers-only

It's looks promising but I just can't go back to a FWD, I love the push instead of pull you get from a RWD.

Maybe if they make an AWD Type-R, I might give it a chance.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Poochie

It's looks promising but I just can't go back to a FWD, I love the push instead of pull you get from a RWD.

Maybe if they make an AWD Type-R, I might give it a chance.

C'mon Poochie, that was my best troll attempt. Trying to pass time while my wife is slaving away on the computer. Trolling the forum while watching 90 day fiance. Audi speaking the truth https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/12/13/audi-design-boss-critical-of-bmw-sports-activity-coupes/

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

C'mon Poochie, that was my best troll attempt. Trying to pass time while my wife is slaving away on the computer. Trolling the forum while watching 90 day fiance. Audi speaking the truth https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/12/13/a...tivity-coupes/

LoL.. Sorry, I came from from FWD cars like the Acura RSX Type S and the Mini JCW so when they're mention, they peak my interest in a nostalgic way.. Carry on..

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Civic type r is faster than cs
https://www.thedrive.com/news/31458/...g-drivers-only

The article says:

"Buying a Type R TC, naturally, isn't as simple as walking into your nearest Honda dealer. Only members of Honda Racing Line with active Honda motorsport commitments can purchase the car, which costs $89,900 and is nowhere near street-legal. If you can't lay down that kind of cash, then there's always the Civic Si TCA or even better: cheaper forms of racing that are just as fun."

The 2017 Honda Civic Type R 07:43.8 Ring lap time was quite an achievement. Deserves our respect. Performed by Honda, dry track with an optimum ambient temperature for the best tire and powertrain performance, full floating roll cage, removed infotainment and removed rear seats.

[Artemis]

So far BMW M has not disclosed yet the official Nürburgring Nordschleife M2 CS lap time.

Some considerations:

• FWIW: back in January 2016 a German source stated that already in 2015 BMW was testing an M2 pre-production car with the S55 engine (instead of the N55 engine) and that it lapped the Nürburgring Nordschleife "more than 8 seconds faster than the M4" (see here); remember that the Sport Auto M4 lap time was 07:52 (see list here);
• M2 Competition lap time:
  • reference is usually made to the 07:52.36 lap time by Sport Auto (Horst von Saurma) in October 2018 (M-DCT M2 Competition - no manual) (see list here + full lap video here);
  • Sport Auto pinned the following comment under its video: "Hi guys, just one more information: The official lap time of BMW M testdriver Jörg Weidinger in the M2 Competition was 7.50 min";
• during the closed room M2 CS preview event in Brussels (Sep 17), a BMW guy mentioned "about 10 seconds faster than the M2 Competition";
• on the M2 CS release day (Nov 6), a Belgian YouTuber posted an M2 CS walkaround video (see here); he mentions (02:35-02:40) that the M2 CS laps the Nürburgring "8 seconds faster than the M2 Competition".

As 07:42 is the lap time of the first generation Porsche Cayman GT4 (981) (manual, of course - no PDK) clocked By Sport Auto (Christian Gebhardt) in 2015, I hope that the M2 CS manages to perform that lap time. I think that it's gonna be a close call (± 07:43).

BMW M lap times (source: here)

• 7:27.88 = F82 M4 GTS
• 7:35 (previously 7:38) = F80 M3 CS + F82 M4 CS
• 7:38.92 = F90 M5
• 7:4?.?? = F87 M2 CS
• 7:48 = E92 M3 GTS
• 7:50 = E46 M3 CSL + F87 M2 Competition (BMW)
• 7:52 = F82 M4
• 7:52.36 = F87 M2 Competition (Sport Auto)
• 7:54 = F10 M5 Competition
• 7:58 = F87 M2
• 8:05 = E92 M3
• 8:07 = E52 Z8
• 8:09 = E63 M6
• 8:12 = E86 Z4 M Coupé
• 8:13 = E60 M5
• 8:15 = E82 1M
• 8:22 = E46 M3
• 8:22 = E36/8 M3
• 8:35 = E36 M3
• 8:50 = E30 M3

[jjt17]

So is the consensus that at $79,999 it’s a sell out that you will have to be first in line for and at $83,600 (obviously total speculation price) it sits on dealer lots like the M4 CS?

The UK price is 75,320 GBP (bmwblog) so take out 20% VAT and convert to USD (at 1.325) its $79,839.

I see them advertising without destination charge at $79,950

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by jjt17

The UK price is 75,320 GBP (bmwblog) so take out 20% VAT and convert to USD (at 1.325) its $79,839.

See here:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Base price = 6-speed manual transmission + non-metallic body color (Alpine White).

• Base price for Germany (source: BMW Group PressClub Deutschland - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei 95.000 Euro."

• Base price for Belgium and Luxembourg (source: BMW Group PressClub Belux - see here (FR) and here (NL)):

  "Prices for the BMW M2 CS start at €96.500 for Belgium and €93.350 for Luxembourg."

• Base price for France (source: BMW Group PressClub France - see here):

  "Tarif au 6 novembre 2019 de la BMW M2 CS: 99 800 €"

• Base price for the United Kingdom (source: BMW Group PressClub UK - see here):

  "Prices start from £75,320 OTR."

• Base price for Switzerland (source: BMW Group PressClub Schweiz - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei CHF 114'900.-"

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Hegge

This is obviously a forum where views and opinions are presented and discussed – and seldom agreed upon. Ultimately, I applaud anyone and everyone for getting what is best for THEM. So, my replies to your posts are not intended to be ‘right,’ rather, just an ongoing discussion regarding the topic at hand.

Are you looking to track you M2CS? I assume such to be the case given your consideration between a 911 S, 718 GT4 and M2CS?

You indicate the 911 S is too expensive at this time, and you are not interested in a GT4 because it is currently only available with a manual transmission. True, but the starting price of a new GT4 is $100K ($113K for 911 S), both significantly more than the projected $84K for the M2CS. The GT4 is comparable to the 911 S, but neither are comparable to the M2CS when it comes to price or performance.

You indicate you want something more powerful than a 718 CGTS. If you are a tracker, I am sure you realize there is far more to track times than ‘power.’ I am not going to go into comparison between the GTS and M2C regarding performance, track or otherwise. Two completely different cars, and I have my own opinion. What I will say about ‘power’ is that the M2C really doesn’t offer anything over the GTS when you take into consideration variables such as weight; the GTS weighs some 600-650 lbs less than the M2C.

So, as to the topic of this thread - and regarding ‘power’ - you reference wanting an M2CS. The best comparison is the M2C. The M2CS offers no significant weight-reduction compared to the M2C. Although the M2CS (444 hp) offers 39 hp more than the M2C (405 hp), they both offer the same torque (406 lb-ft). Again, with track reference, the 39 extra hp is nominal, and only ever really going to come into play during high speeds along straights. So, comparing the M2CS to the M2C, not sure where you are getting any significant power gains?

If you want a M2CS, that is awesome. I have zero problem whatsoever with anyone’s desire or preference toward any purchase they decide to make. All I am trying to say is (1) the M2CS is not comparable to the GT4 or 991 S in performance or price. (2) As per your interest in more ‘power,’ the M2CS offers no significant power gains over the M2C, nor the 718 CGTS in relative terms.

If your purchase interests do not revolve around tracking, then none of this means anything, power or otherwise. The M2C, M2CS, GT4, 911 S all offer more street power than any road can handle. It would simply come down to what you want and can afford. If you want an M2CS, go for it. I am sure it will be great!

///AVM

Thanks for your advice. I'm just looking for a fun and fast car. Not interested in tracking due to the danger involved. Looks like I'm getting a M2 CS if I can get an allocation. Eventually when I can afford it, probably a 911 or possibly a PDK GT4.

[Arregueti]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

And in your example, you also get the awesome F6 howl.

I was actually looking at Evoras today...which sort of straddle the M2CS price point (used are ~70K and new are 95K+).

Problem for me is that the closest dealer is in Austin (I am in Dallas)...but man that baby is HOT, and different.

Evoras are really amazing cars. I own an M2 and an Evora and, while they are different toys and fun in their own different ways, the Evora is clearly the better driver's car. I would give one a chance.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Poochie

It's looks promising but I just can't go back to a FWD, I love the push instead of pull you get from a RWD.

Maybe if they make an AWD Type-R, I might give it a chance.

Drive it in reverse...boom rwd.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Artemis

So far BMW M has not disclosed yet the official Nürburgring Nordschleife M2 CS lap time.

BMW M lap times (source: here)

• 7:27.88 = F82 M4 GTS
• 7:35 (previously 7:38) = F80 M3 CS + F82 M4 CS
• 7:38.92 = F90 M5
• 7:4?.?? = F87 M2 CS
• 7:48 = E92 M3 GTS
• 7:50 = E46 M3 CSL + F87 M2 Competition (BMW)
• 7:52 = F82 M4
• 7:52.36 = F87 M2 Competition (Sport Auto)
• 7:54 = F10 M5 Competition
• 7:58 = F87 M2
• 8:05 = E92 M3
• 8:07 = E52 Z8
• 8:09 = E63 M6
• 8:12 = E86 Z4 M Coupé
• 8:13 = E60 M5
• 8:15 = E82 1M
• 8:22 = E46 M3
• 8:22 = E36/8 M3
• 8:35 = E36 M3
• 8:50 = E30 M3

7:56 Mini GP3 I believe. Quite incredible in amongst some of that competition.

[arciga18]

See other post.

So I guess bmw just posted it in on purpose and made us go in circles lol

[JCZ5]

Congrats to the OP, official pricing just confirmed to match:

http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3515

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Congrats to the OP, official pricing just confirmed to match:

http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3515

Now they've done it... they've made my M2C more valuable 👋.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Congrats to the OP, official pricing just confirmed to match:

http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3515

Also did you see US market launch in 2nd half of 2020?

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Also did you see US market launch in 2nd half of 2020?

Not sure how to interpret their definition of "launch". Still hoping for March production as previously promised. With March production, it would be around May/June delivery? That's like second half of 2020, right? Lol

Honestly, I would hope to see what they do with the 2021 last run model year. If BMW adds some additional goodies as Poochie mentioned, I may go that route...

$84,595 w/ destination ($995) excluding tax. That is a lot...

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Now they've done it... they've made my M2C more valuable 👋.

Or the M2C will get Adaptive Suspension in the final MY and topple both of them in value.

[Habber]

I think price point was what drew me to the M2c. They kinda out priced themselves now.

[lax01]

loll that's so much money for a 2 series

[Lorde]

Originally Posted by lax01

loll that's so much money for a 2 series

That's a nice, low-mileage R8 right there.

[///AVM]

Nothing new shared, just confirmation of what was anticipated.

We've already had the 'discussion' on the matter.

No doubt there are 500 individuals willing to bite on purchase, and wait 6-12 months for delivery.

///AVM

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Not sure how to interpret their definition of "launch". Still hoping for March production as previously promised. With March production, it would be around May/June delivery? That's like second half of 2020, right? Lol

Honestly, I would hope to see what they do with the 2021 last run model year. If BMW adds some additional goodies as Poochie mentioned, I may go that route...

$84,595 w/ destination ($995) excluding tax. That is a lot...

No, second half of 2020 means July - December. So, hopefully July delivery. Maybe they are releasing it in other countries before the US then?

I'm with you, was expecting March production so May/June timeframe for deliveries. Hopefully July delivery.