[medphysdave]

It's in a tough spot. Expensive enough to get you into "faster" cars, but those cars are also heavier. I find heavier cars less fun in day to day tooling around unless they bring something unique to the table. I was at the mall a couple of days ago and there was a zl1 Camaro on display. No 1le package. Completely underwhelming. The gt350/500 is gorgeous in my opinion. It's still a heavy car. Vette loses a lot of versatility as does the gt4.

If you really want to go have fun around town get an ND Miata, upgrade suspension, wheels/tires. Brake upgrade if tracking. Low speed hooligan all day long.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I'm becoming a complete negative Nancy right now. I've been hoping for a CSL or GTS with a 6MT more so than a CS. The M2 CS has added more M4 but has added zero lightness aside from CCB which is an option. Ive been waiting for confirmation of what configuration is 83k base .. but a 25k delta for the M2 CS is just staggering unless CCB are included. I can't see paying more than a lightly used M3 CS or M4 CS (which are quicker cars) for an M2 CS.

Pulling my head out of the world of BMW, cars like the 718 Cayman GT4, the new vette, the new Mustang GT350/500 and of course Camaro are ridiculous bargains when considering new vehicles in the market.

M3 Adjuster: Why don't you just get a 911?

[RPM33]

People should be happy with the M2 CS. This is what we wanted four years ago at the end of 2015, the power of the M4 in the M2 chassis.

[arciga18]

Just announce the pricing for United States already.


End rant

[///M2NYC15]

Originally Posted by arciga18

Just announce the pricing for United States already.


End rant

10000% agreed

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by arciga18

Just announce the pricing for United States already.


End rant

Originally Posted by ///M2NYC15

10000% agreed

I almost wonder if this was a subversive plot to see how people responded to the “unconfirmed” number....given that many think the US will get the majority of the worldwide allocations, maybe they’re still trying to nail down the final price.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by RPM33

People should be happy with the M2 CS. This is what we wanted four years ago at the end of 2015, the power of the M4 in the M2 chassis.

...with a $30k price premium over my base M2, no thanks. For me, the CS needed to be in the 718 weight class to justify its (unconfirmed) $83k MSRP, regardless of all the upgrades it's gained.

[medphysdave]

83k is rough. I was honestly expecting to have a CCB equipped car for that price. It's just a smaller m4c at this point. That's a 75k car. I think they should keep the price low, and combine the c and cs build slots. Build as many as poeple want to buy.

[Brake_Late]

Honestly having a small OCD issue with the checkerboard cf
roof combined with standard CF weave
mirrors and tail...

Bothers the eye 😇

[medphysdave]

are the back seats Merino? I sorta assumed this, but noticed only the front seats get specifically mentioned as being Merino. Maybe I missed it.

[Supadice]

How is this car not lighter? Can someone explain. With roof, hood, seats, and adaptive suspension. The only way u actually lose weight is with CCB? The carbon lip is the only added piece when talking about weight. I'm confused on how it can still be equal weight with the components I mentioned being lighter.

[Supadice]

Oh and the lack of comfort entry and another climate zone. If it weighs the same wouldn't it make sense to leave the zone and entry so people wouldn't bitch more?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Hegge

M3 Adjuster: Why don't you just get a 911?

I've been involved with Porsches via instructing at Porsche and BMW CCA driving schools for 20 years or so. I've spent time in the right seat of everything from a 73 turbo to 83 RS america to 911 GT3 RS.

I've also driven quite a few, and if I were to start looking that way would be interested in a GT3 or Cayman GT4. While I admire Porsches for what they are, I'm absolutely not in the market for a six figure car. As it is, as a 25 year fan of the BMW marque I'm struggling with the idea of BMW M4s priced at that level ( I know - high end 2 series models are next ! )

besides...... My driving days on track began in an E30 M3 chasing down Porsche 951s...
I prefer passing Porches .

[pz619]

Originally Posted by Supadice

How is this car not lighter? Can someone explain. With roof, hood, seats, and adaptive suspension. The only way u actually lose weight is with CCB? The carbon lip is the only added piece when talking about weight. I'm confused on how it can still be equal weight with the components I mentioned being lighter.

The adaptive suspension will definitely weigh more than the static suspension. Probably offset by the hood and roof. When I pulled off the stock diffuser for the M perf diffuser it weighted the same. The carbon fiber lip adds weight and the rear spoiler actually weighed more than stock lip when i swapped mine out.

[Supadice]

Originally Posted by pz619

The adaptive suspension will definitely weigh more than the static suspension. Probably offset by the hood and roof. When I pulled off the stock diffuser for the M perf diffuser it weighted the same. The carbon fiber lip adds weight and the rear spoiler actually weighed more than stock lip when i swapped mine out.

I was under the impression that the adaptive suspension weighs less because of the metal used. And how did you get access to CS parts? I'd like to put them on my car. The only part that is available is the rear diffuser. The front lip is not the same as the M performance and the wing isn't either. Can anyone confirm that the adaptive suspension is heavier? Artemis can you weigh in on this.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Supadice

I was under the impression that the adaptive suspension weighs less because of the metal used. And how did you get access to CS parts? I'd like to put them on my car. The only part that is available is the rear diffuser. The front lip is not the same as the M performance and the wing isn't either. Can anyone confirm that the adaptive suspension is heavier? Artemis can you weigh in on this.

Unfortunately I doubt that the official CS rear spoiler will be available anytime soon. You can buy a 3rd party replica from AutoID.

[SeanWRT]

Common misunderstanding on carbon parts - they save weight on anything.

Not when they replace plastic parts.

As to weight, my bet is on 40lbs saving spec for spec (w/o CCB). The Europe magazine who tested them at Hockenheim GP circuit already weighed both.

[AlpsRider]

Let's not forget that the 763M wheels weigh approximately 17 lbs less than the 788M wheels from the M2C. That is an easy way to save some weight.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by arciga18

Just announce the pricing for United States already.


End rant

It appears that BMW likes to keep us hanging these days with grilles and now pricing.

[pz619]

Originally Posted by Supadice

I was under the impression that the adaptive suspension weighs less because of the metal used. And how did you get access to CS parts? I'd like to put them on my car. The only part that is available is the rear diffuser. The front lip is not the same as the M performance and the wing isn't either. Can anyone confirm that the adaptive suspension is heavier? Artemis can you weigh in on this.

Spoiler is from auto id, but plenty of replicas out there. The static suspension is also aluminum so no weight savings there.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Let's not forget that the 763M wheels weigh approximately 17 lbs less than the 788M wheels from the M2C. That is an easy way to save some weight.

Furthermore, remember that in Europe the 2NH "M Sport Brake" are optional. Standard brakes on base M2 and M2C = ± 16 kg / ± 35 lbs less weight:

Originally Posted by hellrotm

The 2NH "M Sport Brake" and the M Performance Parts "BMW M Compound Brake Discs of the BMW M Sports Brake System Red" are identical, except for the caliper color (silver for the 2NH and red for the MPP) (see Q&A here). The brake kit can be retrofitted on M2, M2 LCI and M2 Competition.

M2 Competition 2NH brakes feature the F8x carbon ceramic brake’s calipers (F&R) with 400mm/380mm steel rotors. And the F10 M5 standard brake’s front calipers are the same as F8x CCB front calipers.

Standard M2/M2C brakes (blue) (source: see here):

• blue front caliper - 4.890 kg or 10.78 lbs
• blue rear Caliper - 3.600 kg or 7.94 lbs
• 380x30mm front rotor - 11.300 kg or 24.91 lbs
• 370x24mm rear rotor - 9.300 kg or 20.50 lbs
  = 58.180 kg or 128.26 lbs

2NH M Sport Brakes (silver) - M Performance Parts Brakes (red):

• silver/red front caliper - 7.540 kg or 16.62 lbs
• silver/red rear Caliper - 4.310 kg or 9.50 lbs
• 400x36mm front rotor - 13.870 kg or 30.58
• 380x30mm rear rotor - 11.300 kg or 24.91
  = 74.040 kg or 163.23 lbs

Extra weight of the optimized silver/red brakes compared to the standard blue M2/M2C brakes = 15.86 kg or 34.97 lbs

In a recent BMWBlog podcast, BMW M CEO Markus Flasch said: "Bottom-line, the car is pretty much the same weight [...] The reason for the car being the same weight [as] the [M2] Competition is the additional stuff that we've put in." (listen here - it's told in the first part of the podcast + see here).

[Triple Seven]

Cheapest way to shave weight off is to stop eating McDonalds.