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      12-27-2019, 01:52 AM   #771
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anyone know if there has been an update progress report on getting the latest DME bootloader cracked yet?

it's been months and still nothing
The first iteration of the DME took like 4 years to hack; we'll all probably move on to the next G-Series generation M2 by the time they successfully get around in circumventing this new bootloader.
They should just put a hacker bounty on it to see if they can get someone else more experienced with security to do it for them for a price.
There are a lot of smart people out there, I'm sure someone will eventually reverse-engineer the current boot-loader.

It's really just a matter of how long it takes for the right person to penetrate the firewall and rewrite the programming to their own terms.

On the other end, I'm not upset at BMW, as they own the proprietary software and I can't blame them for trying to protect it, in an attempt to minimize the liability of potential warranty of claims.
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      12-27-2019, 02:51 AM   #772
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There are a lot of smart people out there, I'm sure someone will eventually reverse-engineer the current boot-loader.

It's really just a matter of how long it takes for the right person to penetrate the firewall and rewrite the programming to their own terms.

On the other end, I'm not upset at BMW, as they own the proprietary software and I can't blame them for trying to protect it, in an attempt to minimize the liability of potential warranty of claims.
There's a lot of smart people out there but so many of them are busy breaking into something else for fun or profit and this isn't even on their radar.
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      12-27-2019, 03:18 AM   #773
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There are a lot of smart people out there, I'm sure someone will eventually reverse-engineer the current boot-loader.

It's really just a matter of how long it takes for the right person to penetrate the firewall and rewrite the programming to their own terms.

On the other end, I'm not upset at BMW, as they own the proprietary software and I can't blame them for trying to protect it, in an attempt to minimize the liability of potential warranty of claims.
There's a lot of smart people out there but so many of them are busy breaking into something else for fun or profit and this isn't even on their radar.
That's an excellent point.

It's not exactly an iPhone or PlayStation, so right eyes are not focus on it, unfortunately.

https://www.cultofmac.com/164137/mee...-the-sony-ps3/

I guess we just have wait until someone with the right skill set, in the appropriate field and motivated by profit gain, cracks it open.
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That's an excellent point.

It's not exactly an iPhone or PlayStation, so right eyes are not focus on it, unfortunately.

https://www.cultofmac.com/164137/mee...-the-sony-ps3/

I guess we just have wait until someone with the right skill set, in the appropriate field and motivated by profit gain, cracks it open.
There's probably some guns for hire on 4chan or reddit but someone would have to pony up...
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      01-06-2020, 12:08 PM   #775
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That's an excellent point.

It's not exactly an iPhone or PlayStation, so right eyes are not focus on it, unfortunately.

https://www.cultofmac.com/164137/mee...-the-sony-ps3/

I guess we just have wait until someone with the right skill set, in the appropriate field and motivated by profit gain, cracks it open.
There's probably some guns for hire on 4chan or reddit but someone would have to pony up...
In my experience, Reddit is just infested useless internet trolls..

I was thinking more Russian hacker..

Those guys have skills for the all the wrong/right reasons.. Just need the right about of rubles.
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Did you run a Test Plan to see what's the requirement to clear the data manipulation code?

I heard that fault codes like these or anything related to milage tampering gets permanently etched into the vehicle's EEPROM but I'm curious to what's ISTA's official solution to such an issue.
The ISTA process says to "reprogram the DME".

BM3 re-sent me the MAP, I downloaded it again and saved it, then did a flash from saved download (as they reccomended) then it worked.

Fault codes cleared in ISTA.
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      01-06-2020, 12:18 PM   #777
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Did you run a Test Plan to see what's the requirement to clear the data manipulation code?

I heard that fault codes like these or anything related to milage tampering gets permanently etched into the vehicle's EEPROM but I'm curious to what's ISTA's official solution to such an issue.
The ISTA process says to "reprogram the DME".

BM3 re-sent me the MAP, I downloaded it again and saved it, then did a flash from saved download (as they reccomended) then it worked.

Fault codes cleared in ISTA.
Sweet! It probably was a buggy software, glad to hear it worked out for you.

ISTA is such a useful tool, it helped me more times than I can count, when the dealers was less than receptive to my issues.
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The Carly app can also do a comprehensive diagnostics on your car. It shows memory error codes and not just fault codes. Flashing with BM3 back to stock and relocking erases the DME invalid software memory faults as well.
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The Carly app can also do a comprehensive diagnostics on your car. It shows memory error codes and not just fault codes. Flashing with BM3 back to stock and relocking erases the DME invalid software memory faults as well.
The Carly app is nothing like ISTA i'm afraid, it may be convenient, but I wouldn't rely on it at all. ISTA is what BMW use in the workshops, so it makes sense to use the same tool yourself, what you see - they see.

ISTA can also carry out module tests and adjustments and it also has all the fault finding guides and drawings / FUB (functional descriptions) / circuit diagrams etc for the entire vehicle.

The DME tuner detect code was still current in ISTA even after a full reflash to stock and lock, that was the whole issue.

BM3 diagnostics didn't show it, neither did my other OBD fault reader.. So I would have looked a right plonker at BMW if I'd taken the car in with the tuner detect fault showing thinking I must be OK because i've gone back to stock and relocked....
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      01-07-2020, 12:11 PM   #780
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When I have some extra time I'll install ISTA and make a fault code comparison between the two. The reason that I mentioned Carly is that it was able to check many more errors than any other apps that I've tried.
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It's all about money and licencing to workshops.

Standard SAE OBD trouble codes are free for all, they begin with P, C, B or U. These include a number of manufacturer allocated codes, but these are pretty basic and limited.

See here https://www.outilsobdfacile.com/data...-code-obd2.php

But each manufacturer has their own "hidden" proprietary codes which are the full detailed set of codes and there are literally thousands on our cars, but only readable via software licenced to read them, i.e. paid for usually,

See if your Carly app codes begin with P, C, B or U? If so its a generic reader.

If they are Hexadecimal codes then they are BMW's own codes.

ISTA reads the full suite of BMW codes, as you expect as it's a BMW system.

Again other workshop diagnostic systems are licenced for this, but they have to pay $$$ for workshop licences if they want full diagnostic capability per-manufacturer.
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      01-08-2020, 12:31 PM   #782
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As per my PM, Carly provides Hex codes too.
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      01-08-2020, 03:51 PM   #783
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I can't reply to your PM, it says your inbox is full!

From your PM they seem to be different Hex codes to the plain 6 digit hex codes on ISTA though?

My ISTA code was:

"201101 - DME: Protection against tampering: Program or data manipulation detected"


I'll do some digging....
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      01-09-2020, 07:23 AM   #784
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I can't reply to your PM, it says your inbox is full!

From your PM they seem to be different Hex codes to the plain 6 digit hex codes on ISTA though?

My ISTA code was:

"201101 - DME: Protection against tampering: Program or data manipulation detected"


I'll do some digging....
Exactly nthat was the error code, which i suffered from when i flashed my M2C DME with bm3. I can managed to get rid of this error code with proper sequence of the bm3 flash (dont ask it, why it does not worked the way it should be worked). I also read my DME once i flashed back to OEM with bm3 and with diagnosing with ISTA/D it does not show any of this error code.
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That's an excellent point.

It's not exactly an iPhone or PlayStation, so right eyes are not focus on it, unfortunately.

https://www.cultofmac.com/164137/mee...-the-sony-ps3/

I guess we just have wait until someone with the right skill set, in the appropriate field and motivated by profit gain, cracks it open.
There's probably some guns for hire on 4chan or reddit but someone would have to pony up...
In my experience, Reddit is just infested useless internet trolls..

I was thinking more Russian hacker..

Those guys have skills for the all the wrong/right reasons.. Just need the right about of rubles.
Defcon runs a whole car hacking space.

https://www.carhackingvillage.com/
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      01-13-2020, 02:38 PM   #786
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bootmod3 0.10.084 release is now out! Updates include the following:

- New vehicle support

- (Map Config) Bosch 4bar TMAP sensor support on all MEVD DME cars (N20, N55, S55, S63tu, N63tu).

- (Map Config) Dorch Engineering HPFP support for 1st gen B58 (B58-F and B58-G, non-T0)

- X3M "Stage 1" OTS maps available in open beta under "OTS Maps". S58 with the 4400lb X3M is showing incredible gains so far including 10.8sec 1/4mile with no mods and just E30 octane, 11.0 on just 93 octane!

- Various dashboard and logging enhancements and fixes
Boost Target math channel added for logging target above ~22psi (2.5bar absolute). This has been available by adding Boost target and deviation channels since the beginning but now its just easier. RAM variable logging tested and coming very soon with additional channels

- Agent startup time further reduced

- "Special Agent" no longer a thing for those with bench unlock DMEs. As of this release you'd simply use the standard release and not touch the unlock/relock.

- Work in progress still on the March 2019 S55 update, no updates on it as of yet.

Web and OBD Agent are out, apps to follow as usual.

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bootmod3 0.10.084 release is now out! Updates include the following:

- New vehicle support

- (Map Config) Bosch 4bar TMAP sensor support on all MEVD DME cars (N20, N55, S55, S63tu, N63tu).

- (Map Config) Dorch Engineering HPFP support for 1st gen B58 (B58-F and B58-G, non-T0)

- X3M "Stage 1" OTS maps available in open beta under "OTS Maps". S58 with the 4400lb X3M is showing incredible gains so far including 10.8sec 1/4mile with no mods and just E30 octane, 11.0 on just 93 octane!

- Various dashboard and logging enhancements and fixes
Boost Target math channel added for logging target above ~22psi (2.5bar absolute). This has been available by adding Boost target and deviation channels since the beginning but now its just easier. RAM variable logging tested and coming very soon with additional channels

- Agent startup time further reduced

- "Special Agent" no longer a thing for those with bench unlock DMEs. As of this release you'd simply use the standard release and not touch the unlock/relock.

- Work in progress still on the March 2019 S55 update, no updates on it as of yet.

Web and OBD Agent are out, apps to follow as usual.


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Thanks for the update on the locked DME. It would be nice if we got updates every now and then like this, even if the update is 'no update'.
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- Work in progress still on the March 2019 S55 update, no updates on it as of yet.
Only info I come for on this thread

Thanks for the update though, expect at least one order when it's resolved
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Thanks for the update though, expect at least one order when it's resolved
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Going to be taking my '19 M2C which is Stage 1 tuned with BM3 in for it's first oil change after break in service. Do I have to re-flash it to stock? Will they update it or even care that it's tuned?
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Going to be taking my '19 M2C which is Stage 1 tuned with BM3 in for it's first oil change after break in service. Do I have to re-flash it to stock? Will they update it or even care that it's tuned?
If I were you, I'd flash back to stock and relock. Then I would reset all the error codes. The Carly app can do it. I guess the BMW diagnostic app should do it too. This way you go in with a clean slate.
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