[Artemis]

Originally Posted by adc

Does anybody know what "+ orange" means? is it a bicolor external color scheme? Or just the stitching?

Orange contrast stitching.

Added that info merely to distinguish those test mules from all others featuring Polar blue contrast stitching. You can understand those as "+blue".

[adc]

Originally Posted by petay135

Drive your N55 M2 in to the river, good god please man up with your first world panic attacks.

The M2 has been an overwhelming sales success for BMW, exceeding Leipzig capacity and surprising the bean counters at head office - in a good way.
There are going to be loads in the BMW auc systems for several years and BMW will want to manage residuals in a positive way to encourage repeat orders and upgraders

The N55 is a sweet unit and sounds good, it suits the stock M2 perfectly.

The S55 is a poor sounding unit which packs great punch and will be carefully ecu tuned by BMW to shoehorn it in to the correct segment. This is why BMW don't like power mods, they want to control the $ per hp ratio as it is lucrative.

When the F80/82 Comp Packs were introduced in the UK for a modest 3k premium the wailing and gnashing of teeth from early non comp adopters was deafening but both iterations have found their base buyer and residual values are rubbing along fine in relation to each other.

I cannot forsee a mass capitulation of M2 residuals, it's a great car and will remain so, the N55 is too dirty for 2019 so they have to do something so don't come whingeing when the horrid discordant S55 sits in the wonderful M2 artificially strangled to meet a target bhp set by the BMW accountants.

I sometimes wonder whether all these posters who claim they will be crawling to the dealer throwing money at them when the S55 is fitted have actually spent time with this engine and the peculiar aural soundtrack it offers or are they just seduced by another - expensive - 40 bhp?

I was out in my new M2 LCI tonight still breaking in and it really does hit the performance sweet spot in that you can rev it out quite freely in medium straights. In contrast earlier today my PPF guy gave me a lift back to the station in his tuned RS6 with Capristo pipes, what a noise but with 650 -700bhp and the girth of a small cruise liner you just can't really use it in the UK, no sooner are you on the power WOT then you are immediately backing off again, surely 350bhp ish is about right for actual use?

When your break-in is done, you will also find the M2 is too fast for your traffic choked and speed camera ridden roads.

And that said, I've been living with the S55 for two years, and I adore its ferocity and brutality. I love the way it seems to accrue more speed the faster you go, in a manic and slightly deranged way. It still shocks me to see how well engineered the cooling system is and how there is zero heat soak when tracking the car in 35 degree C weather. And I would prefer it over any other current BMW engine in a fast car.

It will completely change the character of the M2, from pleasing puppy to angry wolf, and I'd love to own one. I think. (The devil is in the details so we shall see).

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

I'll probably get burned at the stake but I prefer the power delivery of my N55 in my M2 vs the S55 in my F80. F80 still feels like it's laggy and doesn't make crazy power until 4k+. I use my cars mostly on the street and the N55 feels more responsive off idle to me.

1M >>> E90 M3 = same story

[ynguldyn]

Well well well...

To be honest, I never even bothered to check the EOP of the original M2. Just never thought I would discover anything newsworthy...

June 2018.

Let the outrage begin.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Well well well...

To be honest, I never even bothered to check the EOP of the original M2. Just never thought I would discover anything newsworthy...

June 2018.

Let the outrage begin.

Now this is news! So maybe all the speculation of the CS replacing the M2 due to emissions of the N55 were true? Interesting development.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Well well well...

To be honest, I never even bothered to check the EOP of the original M2. Just never thought I would discover anything newsworthy...

June 2018.

Let the outrage begin.

Woah.. that is sudden. I guess it's the S55 going forward?

[akkando]

Originally Posted by stefan

Woah.. that is sudden. I guess it's the S55 going forward?

I guess the base price has to go up, but not as much as we thought if it's still supposed to be positioned at entry level M car?

It will be interesting to compare the starting base price in 2016 to the ending base price in 19/20 or whatever.

[ZPrime]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Well well well...

To be honest, I never even bothered to check the EOP of the original M2. Just never thought I would discover anything newsworthy...

June 2018.

Let the outrage begin.

Welp, either I will have a nice relic that will hold value (being one of the LCI / last of the "original" M2s), or I'm about to flush a ton of money down the drain for an "inferior" car...

I guess I could still change my mind at this point. Hell, maybe the fact that someone backed into my TT in the lot at work today, combined with this revelation, is the universe trying to tell me I should back out.



I hate making decisions like this.

[Danne_485]

Originally Posted by ZPrime

Welp, either I will have a nice relic that will hold value (being one of the LCI / last of the "original" M2s), or I'm about to flush a ton of money down the drain for an "inferior" car...

I guess I could still change my mind at this point. Hell, maybe the fact that someone backed into my TT in the lot at work today, combined with this revelation, is the universe trying to tell me I should back out.



I hate making decisions like this.

I'm in the same boat right now. I was set on ordering the M2 LCI in the beginning of November but now I honestly don't know what to do.

[Benef1cient]

M2 Competition will sell like hot cakes with the S55.
Performance is going to be outrageous - stock or 500HP after light modding.
I also thought what people were saying about that power unit was universal truth but it's not.
When I drove M2 after the M4 ZCP back to back on the circuit I loved the dynamics of M2 much better, but the engine was unremarkable - really lacked vs the M4. That S55 is savage and pulls like a motherf*****. It's never laggy, dunno where that came from.
Soundwise - hearing both IRL killed my hype over the N55 and my worries about the S55. Both need good aftermarket exhaust to sound special.

Finally by increasing the price BMW is going to deliver both bottom and topline growth with this product while increasing the margin, which is in line with global corporate strategies nowadays. This translates to adequate base price plus more options to choose from. Reminds one of Porsche strategy doesn't it.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Well well well...

To be honest, I never even bothered to check the EOP of the original M2. Just never thought I would discover anything newsworthy...

June 2018.

Let the outrage begin.

It baffles me a little bit why they would even bother spending the money and resources to create this frankenstein N55 into the base M2 when they could have just dropped the S55 in to begin with and detuned it. Would like to have been a fly on the wall during that design meeting.

Either way, I would see this as a response to the TT RS and would guesstimate a starting price between 60-64k usd.

[just blaze]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

It baffles me a little bit why they would even bother spending the money and resources to create this frankenstein N55 into the base M2 when they could have just dropped the S55 in to begin with and detuned it. Would like to have been a fly on the wall during that design meeting.

Either way, I would see this as a response to the TT RS and would guesstimate a starting price between 60-64k usd.

I was thinking this also. Seems like it would of been easier to drop a S55 to begin with. They hype the base M2 has generated should make the new CS a hot seller if priced accordingly. A little part of me wish I maybe should of waited as MY18 M2 should be here in about a month. On the other hand, if they demand is the same if not more the first year the M2 released, I'd be waiting a year + or being told there is a $5k-$10k markup.

[kab_m2]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Well well well...

To be honest, I never even bothered to check the EOP of the original M2. Just never thought I would discover anything newsworthy...

June 2018.

Let the outrage begin.

seriously WTF

is this for US or worldwide?

given Im picking up my LCI next month I would be mighty pissed if this is true.

why bother releasing and LCI M2 at all if you were just going to shelve it in 6 months?

this is how you lose customers from a brand

[Danne_485]

Originally Posted by kab_m2

seriously WTF

is this for US or worldwide?

given Im picking up my LCI next month I would be mighty pissed if this is true.

why bother releasing and LCI M2 at all if you were just going to shelve it in 6 months?

this is how you lose customers from a brand

It's been out for a year then and not 6 months. And why is it so bad? The CS will prob cost much more and they needed a new engine for it due to emissions anyway. But they should have one cheaper with the b58 instead or maybe the pricebump with the S55 won't be that high afterall?

[kab_m2]

I could understand changing the engine to B58 after a year but getting rid of the standard M2 altogether? Why?

If they dont do a massive price hike with the CS then everyone who has recently purchased an M2 will get burned... hard

[OSee]

I take delivery of my LCI in 2 days

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by kab_m2

I could understand changing the engine to B58 after a year but getting rid of the standard M2 altogether? Why?

If they dont do a massive price hike with the CS then everyone who has recently purchased an M2 will get burned... hard

Yes, many are driving their old POS M2 into the river as we speak.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Well well well...

To be honest, I never even bothered to check the EOP of the original M2. Just never thought I would discover anything newsworthy...

June 2018.

Let the outrage begin.

This brings up another big question:

If the M2 CS (Competition) is indeed a replacement of the base M2, why are dealerships being told that the total production will be limited to 1000 units ??

Are there really 2 cars that will be unveiled shortly ??

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Gatte

This brings up another big question:

If the M2 CS (Competition) is indeed a replacement of the base M2, why are dealerships being told that the total production will be limited to 1000 units ??

So chumps like me in a deposit refundable state don’t back out of our orders last second?

Honestly a detuned S55 has no appeal to me. As I have no plans to void warranty by tunning the thing. So the N55 is fine.

My worries come from paying 50% cash down on a car and then taking a $30,000 bath in only 6-8 months. If I wanted to see money disappear that quickly I’d spend a few weeks in Vegas.

[S1monQc]

The "regular" M2 will stay an amazing car even tho the CS will be a bit faster (the newer car is always faster)... I still prefer the N55 sound vs the S55, too.

On stock form, there will only be 40HP difference and the "regular" M2 is already battling the M3/M4 on track with less HP and the N55 vs the S55 in its older brother.

People are too sensitive when it comes to new cars... That's how manufacturers sell cars... They need to bring something to the table.

I take delievery of my LCI M2 in a month and I have no stress it will keep its value over time. In my market, there are basically no M2, so USA may be different but...

My 2 cents

[SeanWRT]

A s55 even in its detuned form will put down more than n55 by a lot more than their crank ratings indicate.

[S1monQc]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

A s55 even in its detuned form will put down more than n55 by a lot more than their crank ratings indicate.

The stock 425HP S55 in the basic M3/M4 has been tested at 380-390WHP stock.

A stock N55 M2 is 330-340 WHP.

I would guess a stock 405 HP S55 M2 will be around 360-370 WHP.

It will be faster, yes, but more expensive too.