03-30-2019, 09:12 AM | #265 | |
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Wagner is Not a bad product, it’s just not something anyone should buy over better options. Sorry if you got duped. |
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03-30-2019, 09:14 AM | #266 | |
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03-30-2019, 09:18 AM | #267 |
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Seems like you're just here to start trouble.
How is Mike biased to one intercooler when he sells all of them? Don't you think he makes money no matter what gets sold? And in the past comments, he doesn't even recommend the Wagner over the other options. Al Edit: nvm, you deleted your other comment... Last edited by Anthony1s; 03-30-2019 at 09:26 AM.. |
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03-30-2019, 09:49 AM | #268 | |
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Maybe you don't perceive it, but it's certainly there and is not a characteristic I want, nor is 10 more lbs right on the nose of the car. If you are focused on suspension setup and track handling, that is very noticeable. If you're the street racer or Draggy kind of guy, by all means get the bigger IC. |
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03-30-2019, 10:24 AM | #269 | |
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I’m geared more towards track days and consistentcy - which the Wagner and other brands don’t offer. I also have a stick shift (boost drop between gears) and daily drive my car, so there is a lot of things working against ‘grabbing the biggest core’ That being said, it’s clear one cooler is absolutely superior to another with only they SLIGHTEST of compromises, yet offering superior performance. Why defend an inferior product? |
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03-30-2019, 10:26 AM | #270 | |
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I’m not making money off this, I just want to make choices off objective information, and hope everyone does the same. I already have an intercooler on the car, I’m looking to upgrade to something better and then tune. Wagner, AA, and all those small car brands aren’t even in the running. |
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03-30-2019, 10:31 AM | #271 | |
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Did you ever get any logs with it installed? |
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03-30-2019, 10:40 AM | #272 | |
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03-30-2019, 11:03 AM | #273 | |
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In fact, there used to be a different data heavy ATM vs Wagner Evo2 Comp thread floating around that showed similar performance b/n the two and the OP opt'ed for the Evo 2 b/c of the additional lag from the ATM. What's most impt to me is impact to track times. This data set doesn't exist b/n the two IC's, but based on the limited comparison data out there and the pros/cons b/n the two, there's likely hardly any difference in times, and the difference would be overshadowed by other larger variables. If I can get this and gain subjective improvements in track handling feel and less lag, why wouldn't I? There's more to this than IATs and no one has the right answer, only the answers that satisfy what that person is looking for in an IC. |
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03-30-2019, 11:23 AM | #274 | |
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But let’s just be real here - there are plenty of things you can do to help with the throttle response and lag, nameley a turbo inlet. Most of us aren’t racecar drivers, and the small differences in ‘turbo lag’ and weight aren’t going to be perceptible to most of us, however I think we all can appreciate a products that allows our cars to operate at their maximum level longer - and be more consistent. |
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03-30-2019, 11:29 AM | #275 |
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Anyone knows if the Do88 intercooler is bar and plate or tube and fin ? And the weight ?
They seem to make nice parts for the M2, if you had up everything its not too expensive to make your M2 track reliable and capable of sustaining long session in heat.
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03-30-2019, 11:35 AM | #276 | |
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Another example, I’m running the Dinan turbo bc there’s no lag. Are there bigger turbos that give more power. Sure, but then I have to deal with lag and the additional power from the other turbos isn’t going to impact road track times that much bc fueling, cooling, and traction become more important variables. Bottom line, there are different answers to this question, and it’s the reason Mike started the thread in the first place. |
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Can’t say much about real world performance, but I’m installing their larger remote radiator soon, so I’ll comment on its fit/finish then. |
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03-30-2019, 11:43 AM | #278 | |
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And if you have the Pure Inlet, would you mind posting logs? |
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I will never buy a Wagner, and nothing personal to the brand. But the hype it gets on these forums for underachieving, and it’s cost - I’ll never understand |
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Something like the Wagner would be BETTER for street racers for that particular reason, as I pointed out before. I can clearly see reading isn’t your strong point, but I’m happy to hold your hand and spoon feed facts to you, as this is clearly something you can’t gasp on you’re. The Wagner is only good for a few short pulls - which is why I pointed out it’s not in the same class of intercooler as more track oriented options like the VSFR, ATM and ER. Last edited by Taskmaster; 03-30-2019 at 02:25 PM.. |
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