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      02-21-2020, 08:45 AM   #67
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Go figure, the one thing everyone on a bmw forum can agree on is that the s2000 is awesome.
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      02-22-2020, 07:58 AM   #68
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Interesting quote about the M2C (S55) power delivery, vs the Camaro SS 1LE (LT1).

Road and Track Article... BMW M2C vs Camaro SS 1LE

“When road test editor Kyle Kinard and I try a couple of “roll races” on Thermal’s back straight, the muscle-car BMW smokes the fair-and-balanced Chevy every time. True, our M2 Comp tester has the seven-speed dualclutch gearbox, but that’s not why. Rather, it’s the tsunami of torque produced by the S55 straight-six, coupled with a weight advantage. Every few hundred feet, the BMW pulls out another car-length.”

Hmm...
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      02-22-2020, 12:45 PM   #69
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I believe that. There are a lot of videos out there of Camaro loosing to Mustangs in roll races.

And this is why a lot of owners explore the remaining potential of their motors. One “easy” way to get the 1LT near 500lb ft and over 520hp is to throw a CAI, a cam and a tune at it. Still NA, and capable of making huge power and torque

I know this is now talking about moded vs stock, but if I end up in a car with a 1LT that’s the direction I’ll be taking it. 7500 rpm springs and a cam.
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S58 is going to sound almost identical to the S55 because of the divided manifolds. Oh, and S55 will mop the floor with the N55.
Keep telling yourself that, I know it's hard having an engine which sounds like a lawn mower so you can say you have 400hp.

But this brings up a good point. There is NO end all be all BMW engine. Which is why I will be back in a glorious American V8 in 2021. S55 can suck it. BMW engines in general either make good power or torque, but they sound like shit and spin crank hubs. OR they make less power but sound half way decent. Pretty sure my next car will be a cammed LT1. Only way to have both for reasonable price. There is having 500hp, and then there is using 500hp. You know, for those of us who can actually drive

Here's some videos for perspective.





With the M2C being a WHOPPING 2s faster.... wow. But the 1Le and the GT350 are 6s and 10s faster. Respect.

Oh, and even a $40k Mustang wipes the floor with your M2C.



So like I said, I know it's hard. But hang in there. It will be ok. Eventually.
The Mustang was on Comp 2 tires. M2C was on super sports.
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The Mustang was on Comp 2 tires. M2C was on super sports.
So was the Camaro 1LE. I guess it beats both Ford and BMW.

EDIT: Actually it was on Supercar 3s, which are not quite Sport Cup, but also not Super Sport. But either way, best Chassis in the bunch.
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      02-25-2020, 08:15 AM   #72
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Emissions are barring the 2021 Supra from Euro markets with full power, will only get 340 instead of 382... Womp womp womp.

https://carbuzz.com/news/europe-bans...nnoying-reason
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So was the Camaro 1LE. I guess it beats both Ford and BMW.

EDIT: Actually it was on Supercar 3s, which are not quite Sport Cup, but also not Super Sport. But either way, best Chassis in the bunch.
Im curious if these supercar3 are any good. I need a 220utg tire for an upcoming event
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      02-25-2020, 11:01 AM   #74
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I think this whole debate just proves more than anything that cars are an emotional purchase more than anything. You can try and talk about how you'd rather have 50 more hp instead of carbon fiber trim, or that the Mustang can beat the M2C around the track. But at the end of the day are you beating an M2C around the track in YOUR Mustang? If you arent then why even bring up that argument?

Cars are just about how they speak to you. My track car is a Honda S2000. its 2800lbs and only 245hp at the crank. 0-60 is 5.3 seconds if i'm REALLY good about it, which i'm not most of the time. There are plenty of cars faster around the track than that car. Remember the S2000 was a 45,000$ car when it was brand new. In todays standards thats the equivalent to a 70,000$ car. Can you imagine paying 70k for an S2000 when cars like the C8 Corvette or the Supra can be had for cheaper? However there will be some people who would. Cars speak to us on an emotional level. For me big american V8's sound great...but thats about it. Sure i'd love to own a Mustang GT one day. But its literally just for straight line speed. The car is too big for me, the interior too cheap, and doesnt feel as nimble as my S2000 even at twice the power.

End of the day we all like what we like. Whether or not you can justify it, doesnt really matter. As long as we can justify it for ourselves and enjoy what we have...whats wrong with that?
What? S2000 was $32K MSRP in 2000 which is about 48K adjusted for inflation. The only thing you can get for 48K these days new are things like Focus RS, Golf R, Mustang GT's
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I think this whole debate just proves more than anything that cars are an emotional purchase more than anything. You can try and talk about how you'd rather have 50 more hp instead of carbon fiber trim, or that the Mustang can beat the M2C around the track. But at the end of the day are you beating an M2C around the track in YOUR Mustang? If you arent then why even bring up that argument?

Cars are just about how they speak to you. My track car is a Honda S2000. its 2800lbs and only 245hp at the crank. 0-60 is 5.3 seconds if i'm REALLY good about it, which i'm not most of the time. There are plenty of cars faster around the track than that car. Remember the S2000 was a 45,000$ car when it was brand new. In todays standards thats the equivalent to a 70,000$ car. Can you imagine paying 70k for an S2000 when cars like the C8 Corvette or the Supra can be had for cheaper? However there will be some people who would. Cars speak to us on an emotional level. For me big american V8's sound great...but thats about it. Sure i'd love to own a Mustang GT one day. But its literally just for straight line speed. The car is too big for me, the interior too cheap, and doesnt feel as nimble as my S2000 even at twice the power.

End of the day we all like what we like. Whether or not you can justify it, doesnt really matter. As long as we can justify it for ourselves and enjoy what we have...whats wrong with that?
The GT performance pack is absolutely nimble, and it comes alive on the track.

Totally right about the interior though. Something you’d expect from a sub-20k econobox
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Im curious if these supercar3 are any good. I need a 220utg tire for an upcoming event
Wish I could tell you. I don’t have any track experience with them. I have lots of track days on P Zeros, Potenza S04, Ventus RS3/4 and Super Sports. But none on Supercar 3s. Perhaps in a few years.

But I would guess at best you can hope for Super Sport levels of grip. I’ve been impressed with how well Super Sports stick when up to 60-90 C.

At the same time given how quick the Camaro is with them on, perhaps they are better?

If you do try them let us know!

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Wish I could tell you. I don’t have any track experience with them. I have lots of track days on P Zeros, Potenza S04, Ventus RS3/4 and Super Sports. But none on Supercar 3s. Perhaps in a few years.

But I would guess at best you can hope for Super Sport levels of grip. I’ve been impressed with how well Super Sports stick when up to 60-90 C.

At the same time given how quick the Camaro is with them on, perhaps they are better?

If you do try them let us know!
So far the internet is telling me they are between PS4 and PSC.

Also have a buddy who’s a multi-lap record holding TT driver telling me they’re the only tire he’ll use on his 1LE. Think I might give them a shot. Prior to that I was looking at running the S007A Bridgestone
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Then perhaps your buddy knows best!

I was debating between SC2 and S007 for my M2 this year. Kinda leaning toward SC2 because YOLO. I think I have enough shoulder left on my PSS for 2 days on the ring. I plan a total of 4 this year. And I’ll take all the help I can get!
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Go figure, the one thing everyone on a bmw forum can agree on is that the s2000 is awesome.
100% agree. It's the only car I've owned that I actually regretted selling.
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100% agree. It's the only car I've owned that I actually regretted selling.
Me too. I owned 2 of them at the same time. Sold both at the same time and still look at old pictures and videos from time to time.
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100% agree. It's the only car I've owned that I actually regretted selling.
Its this quote that is literally the reason that i have decided to keep my S2000 while owning the M2C. I know for damn sure i'd regret it.
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Its this quote that is literally the reason that i have decided to keep my S2000 while owning the M2C. I know for damn sure i'd regret it.
Recently I rented one of the newer miatas with the new engine on turo for a day. It has a very soft suspension from the factory but that's an easy fix in the aftermarket. The car was amazing. Only car that i can say is on par or better than the s2000. 2300 lbs, 181 hp 7500 redline with lots of midrange torque (something the s2k didnt have) and driving dynamic was pure bliss. Transmission is 90% of the s2000 which is a high praise and overall i enjoyed that car very much. Will get one in the future for sure.
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I've been shopping these two cars specifically. The Supra is indeed faster all the way to 150mph+ - it's as fast as the M4 Comp DCT for that matter.

However, this is what I prefer about the M2C:

Interior, DCT and manual options.

Engines are honestly close, the B58 does 27-30+ mpg easy on highway, which is remarkable.
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Recently I rented one of the newer miatas with the new engine on turo for a day. It has a very soft suspension from the factory but that's an easy fix in the aftermarket. The car was amazing. Only car that i can say is on par or better than the s2000. 2300 lbs, 181 hp 7500 redline with lots of midrange torque (something the s2k didnt have) and driving dynamic was pure bliss. Transmission is 90% of the s2000 which is a high praise and overall i enjoyed that car very much. Will get one in the future for sure.
Its a S2000 killer. In defense to the S2000 it took 3 generations of the Miata to finally dethrone it from SCCA Class STR. But the ND and ND1 Miata's now own the class.

As for the transmission its as good IMHO as a S2000's especially once its got some miles on it. I have a 2017 RF...
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Because I did the Coyote thing, no pushrods in Germany, and I wanted to see what the BMW hype is about. Clearly.

It has been an eye opening experience though.

Anyway, once you're able to pay off the car debt and get out of the appt perhaps we can have an adult conversation about cars again. See ya around bud!
Agree with you man, I've owned 3 M3's, e46 and 2 e92 amongst many other vehicles. I was out after the garbage F30 but wanted to give the M2 a try, so I rented one. BMW is dead. That's supposed to be the driver's car? Oh, and throttle house said the new 440i is garbage too. I'd rather have a Model 3. Truly.
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Because I did the Coyote thing, no pushrods in Germany, and I wanted to see what the BMW hype is about. Clearly.

It has been an eye opening experience though.

Anyway, once you're able to pay off the car debt and get out of the appt perhaps we can have an adult conversation about cars again. See ya around bud!
Agree with you man, I've owned 3 M3's, e46 and 2 e92 amongst many other vehicles. I was out after the garbage F30 but wanted to give the M2 a try, so I rented one. BMW is dead. That's supposed to be the driver's car? Oh, and throttle house said the new 440i is garbage too. I'd rather have a Model 3. Truly.
And that is why manufacture make a variety of different cars. While some say BMW is dead, others believe it is alive and well.

I use to love the E46 M3 and the classics. Still do, but I got a M2C and it is a blast. For me personally, I have accepted the direction automakers are going and realized we cannot live in the past. With that mindset, I have thoroughly enjoyed the newer BMWs and very looking forward to get into the G80 M3. It looks like you have jumped full into electric cars, which is great for you. I am not quite there yet.
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Enjoyed reading this thread.

As a current S2000 owner and new M2C owner, we all know there are cars out there that can gain faster lap times. I have seen much slower cars than the S2000 run faster times on track than high HP Vettes and Camaros. Driver skill and confidence makes all the difference. I will agree that finding a platform that won't break the bank, offers agility around corners, and can take some punishment is sometimes hard to find. Miatas, Integras, Civics, E36/E46, Mustangs, and S2000s seem to fit that bill for many. I've driven and been in many HP cars on track including a 911 and Viper, but majority of my HPDE is in a S2000. I'm biased but will say it's the best track car experience you'll have with a manual transmission with a high revving engine. I don't believe the M2C is a fully dedicated track car for most, but it checks several boxes for many of us.That's why I bought it over faster but less expensive performance cars. M2/M2C are truly cool cars with great looks and performance to boot regardless of potential failures and shortcomings. The best of both worlds is to own a M car and something mentioned above for track duty.
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In my eye both these cars offer the same perfomance. I love the M2C and its practicality over the GR Supra but the cost of modifying the M2C steered me away.

Cost of vehicle spec to spec puts the M2C $6,000 above the GR Supra, not the issue though as the M branding and practicality is worth that amount. It's the damn fact there is a hub crank issue. With consideration of an upgraded crank hub installed, we are now $10,000 apart.

Keep in mind my goal was always to have a 600+ whp car, reason for needing the hub crank issue fixed. Now let's talk about the S55 motor vs B58, both great motors. The S55 would cost more due to it having an extra turbo meaning two of everything to modify now.

For me the total cost of the car after modifying it was much more economical for the results I was seeking.
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