[cole3488]

Originally Posted by The Prodigy

Won't be possible as you need a new trunk, new side bodykit and a new bumper.

Yes, it can be done. But not worth the price.

None of that had to be done on the m3. They aren't going to change all that on the m2 after 1 yr. The lights will be the same size just LED

[Bamowe]

I was told that the M2 LCI will exactly be the same way like it was for the M3 F80. Only new taillights! And look at the past. The E46 M3, E90/E92 M3 only got a new taillight design, like the F80 M3 and probably like the F82 M4 will get it. OLED could come as a optional equipment for the M4 later on.

So, in my opinion and what I was told: No new front lights (point of view November 2015).

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Bamowe

I was told that the M2 LCI will exactly be the same way like it was for the M3 F80. Only new taillights! And look at the past. The E46 M3, E90/E92 M3 only got a new taillight design, like the F80 M3 and probably like the F82 M4 will get it. OLED could come as a optional equipment for the M4 later on.

So, in my opinion and what I was told: No new front lights (point of view November 2015).

I find it hard to believe that the 2er won't get LEDs up front when the 1er got it and the 2er GT has it. And it won't be an issue to fit them to the M2 either as it doesn't share the headlight design with a different body type like E92 M3 did and also the F80/82 does. The F80 M3 didn't need the new LEDs from the F30 LCI either as it already had the F32/82 LEDs.

[Bamowe]

Originally Posted by metrickid

I find it hard to believe that the 2er won't get LEDs up front when the 1er got it and the 2er GT has it.

I can only tell the point of view of November 2015. Maybe that will change in the future.

But let me explain something: Years ago it was a plan of BMW to bring the 1M Coupe with halogen headlights and not with Xenonlights as standart equipment, because they wanted to reduce the price under the magic line of 50.000 Euro. So the nearly ready 1M with the halogen lights came to the acceptance test (TÜV) and failed. Why? Because the parking lights of the halogen headlight where to much inwards (because of the wider fenders the 1M got compared to the stock E82) and so BMW had to put the Xenons in as standart equipment (the parking lights are more external because of the "angel eye design") and the price raised up to 50.500 Euro (later 51.500) Euro.

As you can see, BMW never planned to mount the newest lighting technology in the stock 1M. Maybe it will now be the same with the M2 and LED will come as optional equipment.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Bamowe

I can only tell the point of view of November 2015. Maybe that will change in the future.

But let me explain something: Years ago it was a plan of BMW to bring the 1M Coupe with halogen headlights and not with Xenonlights as standart equipment, because they wanted to reduce the price under the magic line of 50.000 Euro. So the nearly ready 1M with the halogen lights came to the acceptance test (TÜV) and failed. Why? Because the parking lights of the halogen headlight where to much inwards (because of the wider fenders the 1M got compared to the stock E82) and so BMW had to put the Xenons in as standart equipment (the parking lights are more external because of the "angel eye design") and the price raised up to 50.500 Euro (later 51.500) Euro.

As you can see, BMW never planned to mount the newest lighting technology in the stock 1M. Maybe it will now be the same with the M2 and LED will come as optional equipment.

Hopefully you are correct and I don't have to look at newer cars being delivered with LEDs when I have my "poor" Xenons.

[Bamowe]

Originally Posted by metrickid

Hopefully you are correct and I don't have to look at newer cars being delivered with LEDs when I have my "poor" Xenons.

You don't have to look at newer cars when you drive a M2. Newer car drivers will look at you and talk to themselves: "Damn, that have been good times, when small sportcoupes could be driven with a manual gearbox."

Driving pleasure isn't about lighting, its about driving.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Bamowe

You don't have to look at newer cars when you drive a M2. Newer car drivers will look at you and talk to themselves: "Damn, that have been good times, when small sportcoupes could be driven with a manual gearbox."

Driving pleasure isn't about lighting, its about driving.

Ya, but it's embarassing to see newest BMW's with incadescent bulbs instead of LEDs that their predecessors had.

[The Prodigy]

Originally Posted by cole3488

None of that had to be done on the m3. They aren't going to change all that on the m2 after 1 yr. The lights will be the same size just LED

We don't know yet. I bet they will. This is no big deal at all. Look at the 1 series. Everything on the rear will need some modifications to update on LCI design. I expect the 2 series to receive a similar treatment.

Originally Posted by Bamowe

I was told that the M2 LCI will exactly be the same way like it was for the M3 F80. Only new taillights! And look at the past. The E46 M3, E90/E92 M3 only got a new taillight design, like the F80 M3 and probably like the F82 M4 will get it. OLED could come as a optional equipment for the M4 later on.

So, in my opinion and what I was told: No new front lights (point of view November 2015).

Not true. Best example is the E90 M3. This is a great example because they changed nearly the complete design from the front to the back with major design treatments. Compare e90 M3 pre facelift to the e90 M3 LCI. You need to change a lot of stuff to get the LCI optics.

I don't expect to have such major LCI updates on the 2 series including the M2 but a new tail light design with LEDs in the front. I'd bet money on that.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by swagon

Ya, but it's embarassing to see newest BMW's with incadescent bulbs instead of LEDs that their predecessors had.

It really is quite a sad life cycle policy.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Bamowe

But let me explain something: Years ago it was a plan of BMW to bring the 1M Coupe with halogen headlights and not with Xenonlights as standart equipment, because they wanted to reduce the price under the magic line of 50.000 Euro. So the nearly ready 1M with the halogen lights came to the acceptance test (TÜV) and failed. Why? Because the parking lights of the halogen headlight where to much inwards (because of the wider fenders the 1M got compared to the stock E82) and so BMW had to put the Xenons in as standart equipment (the parking lights are more external because of the "angel eye design") and the price raised up to 50.500 Euro (later 51.500) Euro.

Didn't know that 1M back story yet. Added it to my post in the "1M Prerelease and Development History" sticky:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...30&postcount=4

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Bamowe

I was told that the M2 LCI will exactly be the same way like it was for the M3 F80. Only new taillights! And look at the past. The E46 M3, E90/E92 M3 only got a new taillight design, like the F80 M3 and probably like the F82 M4 will get it. OLED could come as a optional equipment for the M4 later on.
So, in my opinion and what I was told: No new front lights (point of view November 2015).

Makes sense.

LCI = subtle changes | next-gen = (more) substantial changes.

Let's face it: the 2er regular might eventually need a "Life Cycle Impulse". The M2 doesn't need that in the near future. M2 sales will still be vivid in MY2017 or MY2018, not requiring 'impulses' (yet) to crank up sales (except if competitors (or BMW itself) come along with some 'slam dunk' opportunities hurting M2 sales).

But it's quite logical that the M2 will get the new 2er lights in the near future. If early adopter M2 owners are offered the chance to retrofit these new 2er lights, some of them will buy these too.

So it's a win-win: BMW sells parts and M2 early adopters can upgrade. And if an upgrade ain't possible, then so be it.

[The Prodigy]

Now I go for a really big LCI wish.

I really really hope for PDC sensors in the front!

I often have to use really narrow multi storey car parks and it is so much more easier with PDC in the front.

In Germany/Bavaria everything is a little bit smaller than in the states.

[Dackelone]

Even today on the F20/F21... you have only two choices when it comes to headlights. Standard in Germany are Halogens, with LED's being optional. The Halogens do come with LED daytime driving headlights... so that might confuse some people. So its Halogens or LED's on the 1er hatches.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by metrickid

I find it hard to believe that the 2er won't get LEDs up front when the 1er got it and the 2er GT has it. And it won't be an issue to fit them to the M2 either as it doesn't share the headlight design with a different body type like E92 M3 did and also the F80/82 does. The F80 M3 didn't need the new LEDs from the F30 LCI either as it already had the F32/82 LEDs.

It all depends on how far they go with the changes to the design of the front bumper and headlights on the F22 LCI.If they were to make changes,like they did on the E46 coupe LCI,then the new LED headlights wouldn't fit on the M2.On the E46 coupe,the new Adaptive Xenon headlights were a totally different shape than the M3 headlights.That is why the E46 M3 Xenon headlights never changed when BMW did the LCI.This probably won't happen on the 2 series LCI.

[pousa13]

Originally Posted by The Prodigy

Not true. Best example is the E90 M3. This is a great example because they changed nearly the complete design from the front to the back with major design treatments. Compare e90 M3 pre facelift to the e90 M3 LCI. You need to change a lot of stuff to get the LCI optics.

to be exact it was only the LCI which because of the shape of the inner light required a new trunklid. Other than that the whole car styed the same...
The front stayed the same (E92 M3) and so did the side of the car.

compare this (pre LCI):
http://www.kues.de/Bilder/2007/4735/3.jpg
https://data.motor-talk.de/data/gall...5145191593.jpg

to this (LCI):
http://cdn.bimmertoday.de/wp-content...E90-LCI-02.jpg
http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachm...8&d=1217350456

[Powaup]

I'm in the camp that the M2 lci will get LED headlights, now when is production for 2017MY supposed to begin? same time as 2016MY?

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by Powaup

I'm in the camp that the M2 lci will get LED headlights, now when is production for 2017MY supposed to begin? same time as 2016MY?

June/July 2016, I believe.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

June/July 2016, I believe.

What? That's way too early 2016MY begun just a few months ago

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by Powaup

What? That's way too early 2016MY begun just a few months ago

It will be a short production run for MY2016 as far as I know. Many HEA cars were actually already produced (or in process) when dealers got allocations in Jan/Feb, that's why many people couldn't modify their cars when dealers got their HEA allocations. I was lucky and my dealer swapped for a "modifiable" HEA car. Additionally, I know production with M2s is a bit slower as the plant at Leipzig takes the M2s off the line to install the ///M goodies.

I know somebody with more knowledge than me will chime in, but this is just from reading the forums everyday.

[bim2er]

LCI for the 2 series is in 2017, not model year 2017. That's production starting almost 15 months from now, not 3 months from now.

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by bim2er

LCI for the 2 series is in 2017, not model year 2017. That's production starting almost 15 months from now, not 3 months from now.

Yep, that makes sense to me.

I was referring to the fact that MY2017 production will start in June/July this year.

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

Yep, that makes sense to me.

I was referring to the fact that MY2017 production will start in June/July this year.

I misread.