[garrito_burrito_]

haha so the M2 is lighter, sounds better, cheaper, better looking, and in real world scenarios just as fast as the comp.... interesting...

[Brake_Late]

Fun little cars

[Protatomonster]

Originally Posted by garrito_burrito_

haha so the M2 is lighter, sounds better, cheaper, better looking, and in real world scenarios just as fast as the comp.... interesting...

The entire car is very similar but there's lots of little upgrades and with a tune this car will be rediculous. You wouldn't be able to get as much out of a N55 tuned.

[DC2RtoCT9Atof87]

Let's all be real. As an OG M2 owner, and if money were no object, I would choose an M2C. It's a better car. Period.

That being said, I bought an used OGM2 at about 60% the price of a new M2C. And, I smile everyday I drive it. Not because of the price, but because it's a fun car.

Y'all need to just enjoy what you have.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by anglo

Both cars were tested with the same tires? Just curious

Yes

Both PSS
M2 just had the benefit of perfect temperatures
CG is a pro driver and drives a couple of laps to get heat into the tyres.
All the info given in the mag shouldn't be doubted.

Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by garrito_burrito_

haha so the M2 is lighter, sounds better, cheaper, better looking, and in real world scenarios just as fast as the comp.... interesting...

The first couple of laps it is, so you have a valid point.
After more laps the OG M2 can or will( been there done that) get in limp mode because of heat problems.
That's very annoying to say the least( stock engine)
So I just wanted one thing above anything else in my next M2: the S55

Each to their own

Cheers
Robin

[MarcelM1]

But the M2C sounds like a broken blender :

[scrammer]

Originally Posted by DC2RtoCT9Atof87

That being said, I bought an used OGM2 at about 60% the price of a new M2C. And, I smile everyday I drive it. Not because of the price, but because it's a fun car.

Y'all need to just enjoy what you have.

Exactly and for another $10 to $12 K less you can have my 21,000 mile - 2011 zcp M3, which is only one second per minute slower at the 8-minute per lap ring ...

... according to BMW Blog, that 7:58 time puts the M2 in some fast company. It beats the E92 M3's time of 8:05, and the 1 M Coupe's 8:12 lap.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by MarcelM1

But the M2C sounds like a broken blender :

Does that sound better or worse than a broken record?

[Robin_NL]

E90M3 6MT was my worst M car of the five I had

Trackdays
-brakes on fire
-gearing too long
- way too heavy in shorter turns


Real life
-heavy car feel
-gearing too long
-needs more torque
-sound got annoying on longer drives.
It's definitely not a crossplane C63 or Vette, those sound intimidating which I like.


But I'd better forget about that car sorry.

Cheers
Robin

[VIERsr]

It's like the M2C owners do not want to admit that the M2 is still an excellent car, and the M2 owners don't want to admit that the M2C in even better
As 1M coupe (ex)owner, after driving the M2 I told myself I would not want another "half-M" car with a not-M engine

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Davil

Does that sound better or worse than a broken record?

The only thing us M2C drivers can do is just easily outrun those E9x M3 cars so they won't be hearing our broken blender anymore. Sorry guys for the inconvenience.

Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by _RS4_

It's like the M2C owners do not want to admit that the M2 is still an excellent car, and the M2 owners don't want to admit that the M2C in even better
As 1M coupe (ex)owner, after driving the M2 I told myself I would not want another "half-M" car with a not-M engine

E46 M3 was so great, 1M was great(come to think of it in terms of fun greatest), M2 was great, M2C is great. Each in their own way.

Cheers
Robin

[chris719]

Originally Posted by scrammer

Exactly and for another $10 to $12 K less you can have my 21,000 mile - 2011 zcp M3, which is only one second per minute slower at the 8-minute per lap ring ...

... according to*BMW Blog, that 7:58 time puts the M2 in some fast company. It beats the E92 M3's time of 8:05, and the 1 M Coupe's 8:12 lap.

The 6MT sucks in the E92 though, and the engine will require rod bearing replacement if you want to ensure it lives a long life. Throttle actuators and idle control valve fail at stupid rates too. I considered one but the negatives are just too high compared to getting an OG M2.

A good car for the right price maybe.

[scrammer]

Originally Posted by chris719

The 6MT sucks in the E92 though, and the engine will require rod bearing replacement if you want to ensure it lives a long life. Throttle actuators and idle control valve fail at stupid rates too. I considered one but the negatives are just too high compared to getting an OG M2.

A good car for the right price maybe.

clearly you have never driven an E92 M3.

and ... while you're at it name anyone that you actually know (face to face) that has had to replace throttle actuators or rod bearings on a "properly maintained S65" as opposed to Internet Warriors who apparently replace them everyday...

"create fear and hysteria and watch your sales increase"
any-town-usa-indy-bmw-shop

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

E46 M3 was so great, 1M was great(come to think of it in terms of fun greatest), M2 was great, M2C is great. Each in their own way.

Cheers
Robin

Totally agree I've found every baby M great car and a step forward than the predecessor, and it's normal. But since i drove M2 and M3 F80 in the same day, my night and day dream was that engine (S55) in that chassis (F87). And now we have

[Daleb]

If we are comparing track conditions then let’s talk about the OG M2’s sport auto Nürburgring lap which was done on a damp/wet surface:

‘With a lap time of 8:01 minutes, the M2 is approaching three seconds of its factory default. But the conditions in the super test were far from ideal. On barely one lap, the track was completely dry. In addition, the fox tube was heavily contaminated with binder. The grip level during the supertest was accordingly.’

You can bet that 9 second gap would be reduced greatly.

Stock vs stock these cars are not worlds apart, where the m2c excels massively is the engine and it’s tuning potential when modified.

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by garrito_burrito_

haha so the M2 is lighter, sounds better, cheaper, better looking, and in real world scenarios just as fast as the comp.... interesting...

Quote from someone that hasn't owned or driven both cars. Traded my 17 in and I can tell you the cars are really worlds apart. Track times only tell a fraction of the story and reviews haven't given adequate justice to the new car either. Read my thread for more details, but you really get a lot more than the motor for the money.

[Andi-M2]

One interesting fact is, with regard to the overall evaluation, that the M2C is in total 20(!!) places behind the OG M2!!
That should be considered...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by scrammer

clearly you have never driven an E92 M3.

and ... while you're at it name anyone that you actually know (face to face) that has had to replace throttle actuators or rod bearings on a "properly maintained S65" as opposed to Internet Warriors who apparently replace them everyday...

"create fear and hysteria and watch your sales increase"
any-town-usa-indy-bmw-shop

Defensive much? There is a cottage industry dedicated to fixing the shortcomings of these motors. There is at least one guy (Troy Jeup) that had a day job of rebuilding S65 and S85 motors that spun bearings. Further, there has been no correlation of maintenance habits or oil types to the wear patterns on the bearings.

The throttle actuators have cheap plastic gears that strip and then the motor drivers burn on the PCB. It is VERY common. It will happen to you, just a question of when.

Sounds like you haven't done very thorough research or you're just another defensive owner. Encountered enough on the E92 forums, thanks. I'm sure multiple law firms explore class actions when it's just "internet warriors". Also, the 6MT does still suck.

Here, let me help you out:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=e92+m3+throttle...www.m3post.com

Oh, look, 10 pages of results of which the first 6 are entirely legit threads on the throttle actuator issue.

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1253084

You should also familiarize yourself with the rod bearing condition thread if you plan to keep your car long term.

I don't know anyone that owns an E9x M3 any longer. I don't know what your point is. It's an incredibly stupid argument to make that just because you don't know someone who's experienced a problem that it doesn't exist. Textbook logical fallacy.

[scrammer]

Originally Posted by chris719

Defensive much? There is a cottage industry dedicated to fixing the shortcomings of these motors. There is at least one guy (Troy Jeup) that had a day job of rebuilding S65 and S85 motors that spun bearings. Further, there has been no correlation of maintenance habits or oil types to the wear patterns on the bearings.

The throttle actuators have cheap plastic gears that strip and then the motor drivers burn on the PCB. It is VERY common. It will happen to you, just a question of when.

Sounds like you haven't done very thorough research or you're just another defensive owner. Encountered enough on the E92 forums, thanks.

say what you like but you did not answer the question... name one!
also look at my list of ///M cars (signature) over the last 13 years and not a single dollar has been spent on any of those cars for anything other than maintenance... thats my personal research ... add in 5 other "non-M" BMWs over that time and i am a fan of the brand for a reason ... why are you a hater? Go back to my original post and ask ... why Chris?!?!?!

[chris719]

Originally Posted by scrammer

say what you like but you did not answer the question... name one!
also look at my list of ///M cars (signature) over the last 13 years and not a single dollar has been spent on any of those cars for anything other than maintenance... thats my personal research ... add in 5 other "non-M" BMWs over that time and i am a fan of the brand for a reason ... why are you a hater?
Go back to my original post and ask ... why Chris?!?!?!

I'm not a hater, I'm just being realistic. Anyone out for a used E92 should be aware that it is a potential money pit. Same thing with E60 M5.

Your arguments are purely emotional and don't make any sense. Just because you haven't had any issues doesn't mean they don't exist. I don't know how to put it any more plainly than that.

It is a great car, but it has a number of pain points that just don't exist on some of the newer models. You could easily spend that $10k difference in maintenance or repairs.

Maybe my tone comes across as overly negative, but my point was to show that it may not be the bargain it looks like on the surface. Again, still a great car and Fire Orange is the best M color.