[lemetier]

Originally Posted by bjams

We're looking at this in different ways. You are looking at behind the scenes, coding and saying that things cannot be the same.

I'm subjectively looking at what the headlights are actually doing and saying that my lights do those things. I don't have a coding explanation for how/why/why not/how that is different/etc. I design lighting for a living so I look at beams of light on a daily basis and I can't see anything in any video of GFHB that I have not seen my own car do.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sorry I don't have a better explanation.

Ok...

Do you see the difference between these two frames from that vid? The Y axis zero point is the center of the lane of travel. This is before any mechanical movement occurs.

[bjams]

Okay, very interesting.

Scrubbed back through the transitions into a tunnel and you’re right, there is definitely a change in the cone of light at that moment, just before the projectors move.

Hmmmmmmm.

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

HBA is High Beam Assistant - USA spec high beams that turn off in the presence of headlights or taillights of other cars and automatically turns the high beams on if no other cars are present.

Anti-Glare, Anti-Dazzle - European spec high beams that enable your car to keep the high beams on without blinding other cars.

VLD is Variable Light Distribution - It only works on your low beams to move your headlights and position the beams on the road depending on steering angle and vehicle speed.

Variable Light Distribution has several different modes of operation:

1 - City Light: Shallow and Very Wide Beam Pattern active from 0 - 50kph (30MPH) (Both Headlamps are Panned outwards 12 horizontal from center and 0.7 lowered vertically)

2 - Standard Light: Same Basic Beam Pattern as with 8S4 Enabled and Headlamp Switch Set to Auto. Active from 50 - 110kph (30MPH - 68MPH)

3 - Guiding Fog Light - Shallow and Wider Beam Pattern Enabled with the Front Fog Lamps On and Headlamp Switch in Auto and Speed 0 - 110kph (Both headlamps are panned outwards 8 horizontal from center and lowered 0.7 vertically)

4 - Highway Light - Long Throw Pattern illuminating approx. 25% further than Standard Light. Active from 110 to 250kph (68MPH- 155MHP). (Driver's Side Headlamp is panned 3.5 outwards Horizontal from center and lowered 0.25 vertically, while the passenger side headlamp is raised 0.2 vertical)

How is guiding fog light activated if you don't have front fog lamps?

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by amancuso

How is guiding fog light activated if you don't have front fog lamps?

Not sure. My guess is that It could also be activated by turning on your rear fogs (if you have them) or perhaps it just simply isn't an option present in cars without front fogs.

[amancuso]

I just coded this on in my car today. Won't be driving at night until Wednesday night most likely. I was able to tell a vast difference in how much more the lights move left-right on the garage wall though.

[Almaretto]

Originally Posted by amancuso

How is guiding fog light activated if you don't have front fog lamps?

Some BMW's have cornering lamps part of headlights and others use fogs.

[bjams]

Maybe old news, but did anyone see that this is going on?

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/10/11/...lights-safety/

They were accepting comments on the proposal until 12/10, which you can read at this link if you're curious:

https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=NHTSA-2018-0090

Oddly, it seems like there is some sort of misinformed campaign out there from drive-in movie theater owners who think this tech will mean people can't turn their headlights off to go to a movie...??? But there's also some good stuff on there if you dig, such as comments from Mercedes-Benz, AAA, Ford, etc.

I'm sure it's still a ways off, but looks like they are at least making progress!

[akkando]

Originally Posted by bjams

Are you saying you think the US projectors are not capable of moving the way the ones in that video are? Because that is just not true with my lights. They move just as much, and with the same range of motion, as the projectors in that video. And anything that moves mechanically like that is going to be stepper motor-driven, US lights included.

Okay, this conversation is just going around in circles. How do we get someone in Europe to record a video of their M2 with GFBH in action?

I will try to get a video of mine but it may not happen for a while, because I’d have to drive at least an hour or more outside the city to find a road as dark as the ones in that vid.

I'd like to see US spec m2 in Europe (military) coded back to back with an EU car experienced by the same driver

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by bjams

Maybe old news, but did anyone see that this is going on?

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/10/11/...lights-safety/

They were accepting comments on the proposal until 12/10, which you can read at this link if you're curious:

https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=NHTSA-2018-0090

Oddly, it seems like there is some sort of misinformed campaign out there from drive-in movie theater owners who think this tech will mean people can't turn their headlights off to go to a movie...??? But there's also some good stuff on there if you dig, such as comments from Mercedes-Benz, AAA, Ford, etc.

I'm sure it's still a ways off, but looks like they are at least making progress!

Unfortunately that's a step backwards (or circular depending on one's personal view) from where we were in 2015 to develop an SAE standard and incorporating it into the revised UN GTR.

Originally Posted by akkando

I'd like to see US spec m2 in Europe (military) coded back to back with an EU car experienced by the same driver

What is there to code in the FLE's?

- Stadt_V_Idx - VLD City Beam Pattern (Not Present on F87)

- SAE_Idx - Speed Condition Activation Motorway Beam in conjunction with timer (Not Present on F87)

- H_plus4_Idx - Motorway Beam +40km/h not in conjunction with timer (not present on F87)

- Blendfreies_Fernlicht_Idx - Glare-Free High Beam (Not present on F87)

- Volles_Fernlicht_Lichthupe_Idx - Full High Beam (Not Present on F87)

[obazavil]

Hi,

I have been reading about the Adaptive Full LED Lights... and in bmw website it only mentions:

Ride like a boss with the Executive Package. Adaptive Full LED Lights with automatic high beams provide an unparalleled view while Speed Limit Info prepares you for the road ahead. And onboard Wi-Fi hotspot and Wireless Charging keeps you connected to the world.

It doesn't mention anything at all about all the other fancy stuff Adaptive LED Lights should do:

UK video:

So... only high beams are enabled in the US even with Executive package?

I have been doing some test, and I don't see anything changing when I'm driving in the freeway.

[orangeglim]

In my M235i I had to push a button on the end of the turn signal stalk for the automatic high beams to work...every time I drove the car at night. Kinda annoying. In my Honda the automatic high beams work every time without having to push any buttons.

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by obazavil

Hi,

I have been reading about the Adaptive Full LED Lights... and in bmw website it only mentions:



It doesn't mention anything at all about all the other fancy stuff Adaptive LED Lights should do:

UK video:

So... only high beams are enabled in the US even with Executive package?

I have been doing some test, and I don't see anything changing when I'm driving in the freeway.

In the USA the feature is disabled. You have to go in and code the lights yourself using bimmercode. It's honestly super easy, I did it and it's amazing now. I'll look for the thread, one sec.

[Project_F87]

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1459620

LOT of info in here, I'm still searching for the dedicated thread that has the steps of how to code it using the bimmercode app. I'll post it in here once I find it

[obazavil]

Originally Posted by alaing51

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1459620

LOT of info in here, I'm still searching for the dedicated thread that has the steps of how to code it using the bimmercode app. I'll post it in here once I find it

Thanks!

I will buy the app and adapter then .

[BAN_M2C]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1459620

Beat me to it!

Was gonna post this same thread Andrew put tons together.

I did not know all that VLD did, someone on IG pointed it out and searching I found your topic.

Thanks for detailing specifics of what it does and how to code in Expert Mode.

Doing it this weekend!

[Project_F87]

Bimmercode for VLD:

***Front Electronic Module***

In Expert Mode:

C_AFS_ENA (3073) uncheck the two lines that contain "disable", and checked the the two lines that contain "enable".

LUT_FLC_FORWARDLIGHTING_Y (3073) Uncheck the two lines that contain 0xB0, and checked the two lines that contain 0x9C three times.

Complete the coding before exiting "expert mode." Done.

[obazavil]

Thanks!

It will arrive on satuday... in the meantime, i need to figure out if NGHB works on M2C too

[nomoracin]

Originally Posted by alaing51

Bimmercode for VLD:

***Front Electronic Module***

In Expert Mode:

C_AFS_ENA (3073) uncheck the two lines that contain "disable", and checked the the two lines that contain "enable".

LUT_FLC_FORWARDLIGHTING_Y (3073) Uncheck the two lines that contain 0xB0, and checked the two lines that contain 0x9C three times.

Complete the coding before exiting "expert mode." Done.

Wait sorry...what does that coding do exactly?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by alaing51

Bimmercode for VLD:

***Front Electronic Module***

In Expert Mode:

C_AFS_ENA (3073) uncheck the two lines that contain "disable", and checked the the two lines that contain "enable".

LUT_FLC_FORWARDLIGHTING_Y (3073) Uncheck the two lines that contain 0xB0, and checked the two lines that contain 0x9C three times.

Complete the coding before exiting "expert mode." Done.

These coding parameters would not work for the M2C.

It does work for the Pre-LCI Xenon only.

The US version of the LED headlights does not have the proper hardware to properly operate the VLD and GFHB feature, even with the appropiate coding paramaters. The US headlight part numbers are different from the RoW that have these features standard.

I first belived the US headlights was capable of being able to code these features, until I verified this fact with a reputable source that It won't work as designed.

Good news is the US DOT just finally approved VLD and GFHB for 2021 MY and beyond. So future models will have the same headlight hardware as the rest of world and these features standard.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=22685958

[AlpsRider]

VLD works in the US, it's GFHB that is in question.

[pz619]

Sorry, can someone break it down for the lay person here? What is the difference/distinction between VLD and GFHB?

[obazavil]

It was explained by andrewc89 in this post:

Originally Posted by andrewc89

Clarification of VLD, HBA, and GFHB:

VLD (Variable Light Distribution) - It only works on your low beams to move your headlights and position the beams on the road depending on steering angle and vehicle speed. It's standard on all European cars but is decoded on all North American cars for legal reasons.

HBA (High Beam Assistant) - North American spec high beams that turn off in the presence of headlights or taillights of other cars and automatically turns the high beams on if no other cars are present.

GFHB (Glare Free High Beams) - European spec high beams that enable your car to keep the high beams on without blinding other cars. This is basically a better and more advanced version of HBA.

European cars get VLD and GFHB standard and us Canadians and Americans have it coded out. All we get is HBA if we chose to get the exec pack. Many people here choose to code VLD and/or GFHB back in themselves because they're really cool features to have even though they're technically not legal.

While GFHB is debatably a safety hazard (because we have different headlight hardware than Europe), VLD is most definitely not a hazard to others (because it's low beam only) so people code it back in all of the time.

Variable Light Distribution has several different modes of operation (headlight switch must be set to auto):

1 - City Light: Shallow and Very Wide Beam Pattern active from 0 - 50kph (30MPH) (Both Headlamps are Panned outwards 12 horizontal from center and 0.7 lowered vertically)

2 - Standard Light: Same Basic Beam Pattern as with 8S4 Enabled and Headlamp Switch Set to Auto. Active from 50 - 110kph (30MPH - 68MPH)

3 - Guiding Fog Light: Shallow and Wider Beam Pattern Enabled with the Front Fog Lamps On and Headlamp Switch in Auto and Speed 0 - 110kph (Both headlamps are panned outwards 8 horizontal from center and lowered 0.7 vertically)

4 - Highway Light: Long Throw Pattern illuminating approx. 25% further than Standard Light. Active from 110 to 250kph (68MPH- 155MHP). (Driver's Side Headlamp is panned 3.5 outwards Horizontal from center and lowered 0.25 vertically, while the passenger side headlamp is raised 0.2 vertical)



Again, VLD headlight movement and position is governed only by the steering angle and speed at which you are traveling. Since it's solely a low beam feature It does not use any cameras or sensors as it is incapable of blinding anyone.

The only sensor you want to watch out for when you mount an ezpass/dashcam etc. is the auto dim sensor which is on the back of the rearview mirror on the passenger side, so it might be a good idea to mount your camera on the drivers side in order to avoid blocking it.



The rain and light sensors used for HBA/GFHB are pretty much impossible to block as they are right against the glass.



I guess you could theoretically block them with an exterior windshield banner so just keep that in mind if you ever get one.



Hope this clears things up. Sorry for the long winded answer.