[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

I'll say this much if I had the opportunity to buy a c8 at MSRP I'd sell m2c and wouldn't think twice. But since that's near impossible atn I'll enjoy my bimmer now and wait for the ZO6 to come out

if you contact the larger corvette dealers, you can buy them at msrp with a $1-2k deposit. there a bunch of youtubers that bought them at msrp with a deposit.

but you might have missed it though...most of the dealers already sold through their 2020 allocation and waiting on hearing about their 2021 allocation.

The one you probably want is the grand sport anyways...i think the z06 will have too much power to be streetable.

[JCZ5]

Not sure why everyone is jumping on the base corvette, especially when the M2C owners bought the "special" M2. Personally, I would wait for the GS or Z06. There will be plenty of C8 on roads soon enough

[Bimmer28312]

Originally Posted by TemjinX2

if you contact the larger corvette dealers, you can buy them at msrp with a $1-2k deposit. there a bunch of youtubers that bought them at msrp with a deposit.

but you might have missed it though...most of the dealers already sold through their 2020 allocation and waiting on hearing about their 2021 allocation.

The one you probably want is the grand sport anyways...i think the z06 will have too much power to be streetable.

Agree it's to late for me to hop on the C8 bandwagon. I'll wait for the ZO6 which you'll see a lot less on the road specially around the bay area. To much power!? Lol no such thing!!

[M2_Purist]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I would wait a few years before considering buying one of these as there will be lots of bugs but there's little doubt it's going to be the performance bargain of the century given what it can do at the price point. Still it's a shame GM just couldn't get the styling right. The car as a whole looks okay but there's lots of bad design choices keeping it from being a true beauty. Also typical GM poor interior design. The steering wheel is an abomination and that line of climate control switches (a first in the history of automobiles from what I can tell) is just dumb. If the materials are okay I could forgive this as GM really does seem to nail down the performance and handling better than anyone at the price point but it's a shame their exterior/interior design teams are amongst the worst in the industry.

It’s $60k, you realize that right? And it performs like a $185k GT3. Obviously, something had to give to make the numbers work. They chose performance while BMW chooses to add bs carbon panels in an interior of a car that weights 3650 lbs anyway

[M2_Purist]

Originally Posted by B58togo

Lol, quarantined passengers? Elderly neighbors? And then you post a video of Fast Lane Cars who are notorious for being the absolute WORST drivers on Youtube. They're utterly painful to watch.

Fact. My 240i runs 3.9x-4.1x on the Dragy, depending on launch/weather conditions.

Fact. I had a bone stock M7 C7 Stingray nose me out multiple times to 60, and he had a passenger and I did not.

Bash away on GM all you want. I don't care for the new design myself, but credit is due here.

And to 180 and you’d no longer see it

[Davil]

Originally Posted by M2_Purist

And to 180 and you’d no longer see it

That may be a blessing.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Any recent corvette is an M2 killer when it comes to performance and hp/speed for the money. C8 will surely be more so.

Current C7s embarrass some 911s at the track.

Not sure why the thread wasn't closed after this comment ....

[dvas]

Am I the only one that thinks the new vette is ugly?

Proportions seem off, the rear is a hideous version of the Camaro's, and looks like heavy use of cheap plastics. It's also way too heavy. Having said that, I'm sure the performance is going to be there.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by dvas

Am I the only one that thinks the new vette is ugly?

Proportions seem off, the rear is a hideous version of the Camaro's, and looks like heavy use of cheap plastics. It's also way too heavy. Having said that, I'm sure the performance is going to be there.

I think they are a little strange. Not enough to completely through me off, but feel like it was a rush to production. Not quite finished. I think it looks better when the black bits are body color.

It's still a crazy amount of car for cost of laded m2c. Just about gets you a 1LT with z51.

[dvas]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I think they are a little strange. Not enough to completely through me off, but feel like it was a rush to production. Not quite finished. I think it looks better when the black bits are body color.

It's still a crazy amount of car for cost of laded m2c. Just about gets you a 1LT with z51.

Agreed in that the C8 will offer incredible performance. Certainly, with the same driver, far superior performance than an M2. But at possibly the cost of inferior quality, especially in the interior.

M2 is a completely different class of car. Yes, both are performance oriented. But C8 is a true two-seat focused sports car while M2 is a four seat sporty luxury coupe. Just happens that M2 can offer good performance - even trackable - while essentially being a luxury platform.

[Obioban]

I think a 3rd year of production C8 is very likely in my future (give them two years to work the bugs out). Likely a yellow on tan 3LT grand sport.

Originally Posted by BlkSVT

I've read a significant amount about the new Vette, but I can't get over just how little mention is made of the old school LS engine. It doesn't seem to bother anyone that a brand new super -ish car has the 2-valve, cam-in-block LS motor. Why no call for a modern engine in their "world-class" Vette?

I'm admittedly tech-focused, mod-happy and always looking for something better than what I have or a new experience, so I may not be the target market? But now that I'm in my 50s, maybe I am?

Regardless, I'm mildly curious about the whole c8 concept, and I'm always stopped dead by same-old, same-old LS that's been done to death.

I want to like the Vette, built one in black (looks sweet from most angles!), but there's just nothing attractive to me about the powertrain right now. Anyone else feel similarly?

Why do you want that, though?

The Chevy LS/LT engines are more reliable than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are lighter than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are more compact than BMW engines of the same power output (valve covers on the C8 are below the top of the tires!)
The Chevy LS/LT engines get similar fuel economy than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are easier to modify/maintain than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are cheaper to replace/repair the BMW engines of the same power output.
The Chevy LS/LT engines have better throttle response than BMW Turbo engines

Change for the sake of change is silly. The LS/LT engines are light, cheap, powerful, compact, efficient, responsive, and have a broad powerband.

People often like to talk about how pushrods are old tech. Admittedly, it is-- first pushrod engine came out in 1904. That said, dual overhead cam engines first came out in 1912-- so while it IS newer... do we care about 1904 vs 1912?

[5.M0NSTER]

I would totally take an LS Swap into my M2. It would be total Beast Mode.

[boostm3]

Prices here, bitches!!

https://www.chevrolet.com/content/da...ricing_PDF.pdf

[ryem3]

The c8 will kill many. Fortunately, the m2 has greater utility, which will save it.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by dvas

Agreed in that the C8 will offer incredible performance. Certainly, with the same driver, far superior performance than an M2. But at possibly the cost of inferior quality, especially in the interior.

M2 is a completely different class of car. Yes, both are performance oriented. But C8 is a true two-seat focused sports car while M2 is a four seat sporty luxury coupe. Just happens that M2 can offer good performance - even trackable - while essentially being a luxury platform.

I disagree on your interior quality comment.

The M2 uses the crappy Dakota Leather, which looks and feels like it belongs on a cheap couch.

The C8, especially in 3LT form uses Nappa leather , like you find on high end Audi's.

Even the base leather will be nicer than the crappy BMW Dakota leather wannabe.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I disagree on your interior quality comment.

The M2 uses the crappy Dakota Leather, which looks and feels like it belongs on a cheap couch.

The C8, especially in 3LT form uses Nappa leather , like you find on high end Audi's.

Even the base leather will be nicer than the crappy BMW Dakota leather wannabe.

Completely agree! Really dislike the Dakota leather and can't believe there is no option for vernasca, let along merino leather

[dvas]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I disagree on your interior quality comment.

The M2 uses the crappy Dakota Leather, which looks and feels like it belongs on a cheap couch.

The C8, especially in 3LT form uses Nappa leather , like you find on high end Audi's.

Even the base leather will be nicer than the crappy BMW Dakota leather wannabe.

Agree on the basic leather in the M2. Not the softest but at least it wears well. Not so much in the Vettes I've seen (Could also be the size of the average Vette driver ). Anyways, was thinking more along the lines of fit and finish.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by dvas

Agreed in that the C8 will offer incredible performance. Certainly, with the same driver, far superior performance than an M2. But at possibly the cost of inferior quality, especially in the interior.

M2 is a completely different class of car. Yes, both are performance oriented. But C8 is a true two-seat focused sports car while M2 is a four seat sporty luxury coupe. Just happens that M2 can offer good performance - even trackable - while essentially being a luxury platform.

While the 2 series is a nice car, it is essentially BMWs entry level and as such isn’t the best of what BMW offers and in some sense is behind technology wise in some ways when it comes to “luxury”. No heads up, no adaptive cruise, no adaptive suspension, no ventilated or cooled seats, no digital cockpit with customizations etc. But there’s also a beauty in that and that basic driving is what got me into my 135is.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by 1mm2

Size and reliability are important for me.

If it feels too big or falls apart after a few rapid shifts on the track then Cayman & Supra may make sense.

Weird comment. Can you point me to where Chevy's high end vehicles are somehow less reliable than a modern BMW? The B58 is great but also quite complicated. The last vette with a glass transmission was what.. 2005?

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by dvas

Agree on the basic leather in the M2. Not the softest but at least it wears well. Not so much in the Vettes I've seen (Could also be the size of the average Vette driver ). Anyways, was thinking more along the lines of fit and finish.

If the C8 follows the 6th Gen Camaro, it will be just fine.

My SS 1LE is more solid and creak free than my M3 ever was.

All the buttons and switches feel good. Not quite Audi/Porsche click good, but on par with my M3

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by stefan

Weird comment. Can you point me to where Chevy's high end vehicles are somehow less reliable than a modern BMW? The B58 is great but also quite complicated. The last vette with a glass transmission was what.. 2005?

My C7 has been bulletproof. 135is? Not quite so much.

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by stefan

Weird comment. Can you point me to where Chevy's high end vehicles are somehow less reliable than a modern BMW? The B58 is great but also quite complicated. The last vette with a glass transmission was what.. 2005?

Too funny.

Look up C7 A8.

Enjoy.