[chris719]

Originally Posted by WAY

I’m genuinely surprised by this. I can certainly tell you that in the real world this isn’t the case at all. The M2C has got way more torque than the OG. Even my 11 year old could tell as a passenger. His first comment on the car was “this car is a lot faster” and what he’s referring to is the head pushing torque.

You're right, except from very very low revs. I noticed that the OG M2 felt a bit more sprightly from a dead stop than M4 ZCP when I drove them in Spartanburg. There is no mistaking that the S55 makes more torque above around 3000 RPM. It's a more powerful engine, the people rationalizing with this low end torque thing are looking for something to hang onto IMO. I own neither car and both are traction limited most of the time in 1st and 2nd. On the highway I would strongly prefer S55. Elsewhere it makes barely any difference.

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by WAY

I’m genuinely surprised by this. I can certainly tell you that in the real world this isn’t the case at all. The M2C has got way more torque than the OG. Even my 11 year old could tell as a passenger. His first comment on the car was “this car is a lot faster” and what he’s referring to is the head pushing torque.

Same 0-60 times - in the real world the extra top end and power has zero significance ...unless you’re doing some illegal stuff with your 11-year-old son in the car on public roads

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

OG owners on this thread 😂🤣 y'all talk about pragmatism and own a sports car GTFO of here with that bullshit lol

This guy man ..lol . typical attitude from someone who is stretching his budget to the max ...can barely swing the monthly payment and now trying to justify his purchase. You got a good car, nothing special tho… Move On .

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Same 0-60 times - in the real world the extra top end and power has zero significance ...unless you’re doing some illegal stuff with your 11-year-old son in the car on public roads

In the real world a lot of M owners track and 0-60 means nothing...and where did you get that same 0-60 times

In your real world the 240i is better than the M2

[chris719]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Same 0-60 times - in the real world the extra top end and power has zero significance ...unless you’re doing some illegal stuff with your 11-year-old son in the car on public roads

In the real world, a Toyota Camry is fast enough unless you’re doing some illegal stuff on public roads.

Get a grip, if you drove both it’s not even a question as to which is faster. I don’t own either one, but more sour grapes from you I see... The difference at highway speeds is significant and easily felt.

[devo]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

OG has more torque on the low revs and this type of engine can be preferable for street driving/ daily

Originally Posted by WAY

I’m genuinely surprised by this. I can certainly tell you that in the real world this isn’t the case at all. The M2C has got way more torque than the OG. Even my 11 year old could tell as a passenger. His first comment on the car was “this car is a lot faster” and what he’s referring to is the head pushing torque.

Seat of the pants feel apparently tells some the M2 makes produces more torque at low RPM than the M2C. I feel the opposite and owned a 2018 before trading for the 2C. The Comp produces (peak) 406 lb.-ft. @2350 RPM vs. the M2's (peak) 343 lb.-ft. @1400 RPM. I would guess the Comp produces at least as much at 1400, however, it is moot as who drives this car below 2000 RPM anyway...


https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

[akkando]

Anecdotally it seems like more engine troubles on m2c cars then m2 cars when reading the forum threads. Could be wrong though, just seems like as little time as the m2c has been out, there has been a higher rate of engine trouble.

[Bimmer28312]

Originally Posted by D22M2

This guy man ..lol . typical attitude from someone who is stretching his budget to the max ...can barely swing the monthly payment and now trying to justify his purchase. You got a good car, nothing special tho… Move On .

Lol you have no idea what I can and cannot afford 😂 just because everyone is pointing facts out that your OG is slower than the M2C doesn't mean we all of a sudden struggle to afford the new competition 😂🤣

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Same 0-60 times - in the real world the extra top end and power has zero significance ...unless you’re doing some illegal stuff with your 11-year-old son in the car on public roads

lol, what?




in particular, when the car is already moving (think track, or just spirited highway driving):



these are not "split second" differences, these are pretty pointed.



Again, I have no idea why this thread is still going, 11 pages strong!!
BOTH cars are phenomenal, both are outstanding, much like the M4 vs M4C...

[Bimmer28312]

Honestly this is all pure entertainment for me lol it's funny how easily triggered some are getting. They're both bad ass cars

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

Honestly this is all pure entertainment for me lol it's funny how easily triggered some are getting. They're both bad ass cars

Agreed, my 991.2 makes the M2C feel like a lethargic pig at best. It's all relative...

[Bimmer28312]

Porsche makes almost every othersports car feel like a fatty hahahhaha and def makes all M's feel like a slob

[WAY]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Same 0-60 times - in the real world the extra top end and power has zero significance ...unless you’re doing some illegal stuff with your 11-year-old son in the car on public roads

Lol. Have you even driven a M2C? I owned 3 OG M2 with the latest being a 18 LCI DCT until I switched to M2C DCT. No question, M2C is torquer and faster even at normal road speeds (and below 3k rpm).

[WAY]

Originally Posted by devo

Seat of the pants feel apparently tells some the M2 makes produces more torque at low RPM than the M2C. I feel the opposite and owned a 2018 before trading for the 2C. The Comp produces (peak) 406 lb.-ft. @2350 RPM vs. the M2's (peak) 343 lb.-ft. @1400 RPM. I would guess the Comp produces at at least as much at 1400, however, it is moot as who drives this car below 2000 RPM anyway...


https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

Yup. You and I have both gone from 18 M2 LCI to M2C. I’ve also owned a manual and a DCT prior to that 18 I traded. I think we know better than many here!

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by WAY

Yup. You and I have both gone from 18 M2 LCI to M2C. I’ve also owned a manual and a DCT prior to that 18 I traded. I think we know better than many here!

No way

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

lol, what?




in particular, when the car is already moving (think track, or just spirited highway driving):



these are not "split second" differences, these are pretty pointed.



Again, I have no idea why this thread is still going, 11 pages strong!!
BOTH cars are phenomenal, both are outstanding, much like the M4 vs M4C...

Lol - nothing significant GTHFOH

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Lol - nothing significant GTHFOH

nice rebuttal kiddo.... why don't you just enjoy your car, a great amazing fun car at that, and let facts and grown ups discuss this topic with the plutonic level it deserves.

to ignored list you go, troll

[Bimmer28312]

🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

[atomic837]

Just my two cents to a beaten down topic. I owned an OG 2017 M2 which was intended to be the replacement to my 09 135i. I certainly enjoyed many aspects of the car, but for what it's worth, for every improvement over my "antique" 1-series, there seemed to be something else that felt like a step-back. My 135i seemed like it a had reasonable balance between the mechanical and the electronic... the M2 experience felt somewhat disconnected.

For what it's worth, I also found the power output to be significantly disappointing.... there was just something that felt "lazy" about the throttle and turbos in that car. Slamming the gas pedal felt like the car needed a second to wake-up before it engaged properly. My 135i does not have that feeling. There's tubo lag, yes, but it still feels as if pushing the gas has an immediate reaction, which only pulls stronger once the turbos fully engage. And to dispel any rumors - it was a stick shift and I played with all of the Sport+ settings.... those settings certainly made the throttle touchy, but they didn't change the laziness of output to any significant degree. I would assume (hope) that the S55 engine fixes this problem on the M2C. The N55 was, to me, a letdown of an engine - especially compared to the N54.

Suffice it to say, I sold the M2 about a year after I bought it. I'm still driving the 135i as my daily, and even though she's getting a bit old and tired, she can still put a smile on my face. If the M2C is truly the improvement that some are saying (and the least of my worries is that it sounds a bit worse), then I might consider it after my 135i takes its final bow.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by atomic837

Just my two cents to a beaten down topic. I owned an OG 2017 M2 which was intended to be the replacement to my 09 135i. I certainly enjoyed many aspects of the car, but for what it's worth, for every improvement over my "antique" 1-series, there seemed to be something else that felt like a step-back. My 135i seemed like it a had reasonable balance between the mechanical and the electronic... the M2 experience felt somewhat disconnected.

For what it's worth, I also found the power output to be significantly disappointing.... there was just something that felt "lazy" about the throttle and turbos in that car. Slamming the gas pedal felt like the car needed a second to wake-up before it engaged properly. My 135i does not have that feeling. There's tubo lag, yes, but it still feels as if pushing the gas has an immediate reaction, which only pulls stronger once the turbos fully engage. And to dispel any rumors - it was a stick shift and I played with all of the Sport+ settings.... those settings certainly made the throttle touchy, but they didn't change the laziness of output to any significant degree. I would assume (hope) that the S55 engine fixes this problem on the M2C. The N55 was, to me, a letdown of an engine - especially compared to the N54.

Suffice it to say, I sold the M2 about a year after I bought it. I'm still driving the 135i as my daily, and even though she's getting a bit old and tired, she can still put a smile on my face. If the M2C is truly the improvement that some are saying (and the least of my worries is that it sounds a bit worse), then I might consider it after my 135i takes its final bow.

You have to take it out of comfort mode...

[atomic837]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

You have to take it out of comfort mode...

"...And to dispel any rumors - it was a stick shift and I played with all of the Sport+ settings.... those settings certainly made the throttle touchy, but they didn't change the laziness of output to any significant degree."

A twitchy throttle isn't the fix. Yes, the engine reacted a hair faster, but the power did not. It's something that I find difficult to explain, but I relegated it to A) Either a slower turbo response, or B) The NA portion of the N54 engine was that much better than the N55, so it helped mask the lag in a way that the M2 couldn't. I'm thinking that it's the latter.

I remember owners of later 135i models (that switched from the N54 to the N55 engine) mentioning this phenomenon. I guess that if you don't compare them head-to-head, you might not realize it.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

You have to take it out of comfort mode...

He literally said....

And to dispel any rumors - it was a stick shift and I played with all of the Sport+ settings