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      02-13-2021, 04:50 PM   #1
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Which tuner?

Background: Planning on installing The Turbo Engineers TTE 550 w/ necessary accompanying mods. Deciding on a tuner. W/o bashing individual tuners, who would you choose and why?

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Paul Johnson

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What tuning software?

BM3 = Halim, from what I heard he's quite quite good.

MHD = Twisted tuning, excellent tuner and makes the ots maps for the E series n55

Ecutek = cookiesowns from bend calibration, another excellent tuner for ecutek
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Most probably bootmode.. I actually only considered bootmod3 or MHD. Didn’t even know about bend. Haha
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Halim is great.

The only issue is he's pretty busy and focused on developing OTS maps. I don't think he's done a custom N55 map in quite a while, except when myself and some other guys were working on beta maps for the new Stg 2+ E30 OTS map.

cookiesowns (Bend) seems to be the most responsive custom tuner around for N55 guys.
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Halim is great.

The only issue is he's pretty busy and focused on developing OTS maps. I don't think he's done a custom N55 map in quite a while, except when myself and some other guys were working on beta maps for the new Stg 2+ E30 OTS map.

cookiesowns (Bend) seems to be the most responsive custom tuner around for N55 guys.
Thanks for the shout out. While I can tune on BM3 or MHD ( doing both for my current dev car until ECUTek is out for S58 ) I want to make it clear that I really only plan on tuning on ECUTek for my customers.

Just better to focus on one platform and get things done right. We also don't do volume so that's okay for us.

Just ask -Eidos the amount of time we spent working with him on his build Good things to come soon though for those that wait.

We should have the ultimate fueling solution coming out soon that will be capable of 600+ DI only on full E85 reliably and safely. No more running 23MPA+ on injectors only rated for 20mpa

If you want BM3 or MHD, I'd talk to David Shoup, him and I have shared notes back in the day when I first got my OG M2.. good guy. Tell him I referred you, if you do decide to go with Shoup.
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Thanks for the shout out. While I can tune on BM3 or MHD ( doing both for my current dev car until ECUTek is out for S58 ) I want to make it clear that I really only plan on tuning on ECUTek for my customers.

Just better to focus on one platform and get things done right. We also don't do volume so that's okay for us.

Just ask -Eidos the amount of time we spent working with him on his build Good things to come soon though for those that wait.

We should have the ultimate fueling solution coming out soon that will be capable of 600+ DI only on full E85 reliably and safely. No more running 23MPA+ on injectors only rated for 20mpa

If you want BM3 or MHD, I'd talk to David Shoup, him and I have shared notes back in the day when I first got my OG M2.. good guy. Tell him I referred you, if you do decide to go with Shoup.
Share a bit more on your fueling.
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Share a bit more on your fueling.
We've replaced the factory fuel injectors with F10 M5 EU5 injectors as we were starting to run out of injector on high ethanol mixes (540-550 WHP SAE).

cookiesowns was able to work his magic within two to three revisions. S55 owners are starting to tinker with these injectors as well as they push the power limits on direct injection.

For the HPFP, we're working with a company on developing a "Stage 3" solution that allows us to push more than 600WHP SAE on full E85 safely while still remaining on direct injection. Let's call it 120+% more flow over stock in it's current form. That's about as much as we can share right now.
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I use Cary Jordan map on my personal car, very happy with how it came out and how easy the process was

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Seems like a lot of threads are converging onto this one notion so I just want to outright say it. Do not get your car tuned by Cary Jordan. It's not worth it. He knows how to market himself better than how he knows how to tune cars.

If you decide that a custom tune is the route for you, please please please contact any of our reputable forum members about custom tuners and they will point you in the right direction. You can even start a thread on it. Do not listen to any third party vendors. Your car deserves better than some of the crap I've seen out there.


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Can't go wrong with Bend Calibration! They have a meticulous team doing amazing stuff and Ian has over 15years of experience tuning many standalone equipped cars over 2k hp even. Both my Turbo E46 M3 and M2C are tuned by Bend.
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We've replaced the factory fuel injectors with F10 M5 EU5 injectors as we were starting to run out of injector on high ethanol mixes (540-550 WHP SAE).

cookiesowns was able to work his magic within two to three revisions. S55 owners are starting to tinker with these injectors as well as they push the power limits on direct injection.

For the HPFP, we're working with a company on developing a "Stage 3" solution that allows us to push more than 600WHP SAE on full E85 safely while still remaining on direct injection. Let's call it 120+% more flow over stock in it's current form. That's about as much as we can share right now.
I know about the m5 injectors already bud. The stage 3 hpfp is interesting though I'll be watching this.
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I know about the m5 injectors already bud. The stage 3 hpfp is interesting though I'll be watching this.
Updates on it will be posted on these two threads when we're allowed to provide more information:

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Updates on it will be posted on these two threads when we're allowed to provide more information:

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1685365

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1782572
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Seems like a lot of threads are converging onto this one notion so I just want to outright say it. Do not get your car tuned by Cary Jordan. It's not worth it. He knows how to market himself better than how he knows how to tune cars.

If you decide that a custom tune is the route for you, please please please contact any of our reputable forum members about custom tuners and they will point you in the right direction. You can even start a thread on it. Do not listen to any third party vendors. Your car deserves better than some of the crap I've seen out there.


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Thanks for the input! From what I’ve read it seems Bend might be the best option for me.
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Thanks for the input! From what I’ve read it seems Bend might be the best option for me.
I used Bend and highly recommend. Custom tuning requires a long straight road where you can log 4'th gear pulls. I have a perfect spot where there no entrances, exits or police, LOL. You'll need to do this several times so they can get your tune perfect for your car/mods/fuel. Well worth the effort.
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I used Bend and highly recommend. Custom tuning requires a long straight road where you can log 4'th gear pulls. I have a perfect spot where there no entrances, exits or police, LOL. You'll need to do this several times so they can get your tune perfect for your car/mods/fuel. Well worth the effort.
3rd gear was sufficient for about 85% of the calibrations for me (6MT). Other times required a full 2nd gear pull, a 4th gear pull to whatever speed I was comfortable of doing with respect to road conditions, or a 2nd-3rd-4th. Street logs were also emphasized too for drivability. What was important was that I was never pushed to go out of my comfort zone and what time I put into the process I got back ten-fold in map quality.
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cookiesowns - do you know how to tune for MILVS? Can ECUteck do it (valvetronic tables have to be changed, and I'm sure the timing curve adjusted)
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Gonna be mostly street logs here. Not much space really to stretch the cars legs out. Looks like I’ll just have to rent a dyno for the am.
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cookiesowns - do you know how to tune for MILVS? Can ECUteck do it (valvetronic tables have to be changed, and I'm sure the timing curve adjusted)
I'd want to get the actual mechanical profiles and how that affects the positioning of the eccentric shaft.

Either or, yes we can tune for it.
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I'd want to get the actual mechanical profiles and how that affects the positioning of the eccentric shaft.

Either or, yes we can tune for it.
+1 mm intake lift, 2-3° of intake cam duration extra, if that helps.
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+1 mm intake lift, 2-3° of intake cam duration extra, if that helps.
+1mm of lift and 2-3 degrees of duration is enough to cause valve contact in some motors.. the question is how close are we, and will there be contact without tuning?

Cause if not, what would the tuning get you if you're already at the maximum amount of flow with the MILVS in place and stock valvetronic tables other than maximizing BSFC, and making sure we're still within limits of MBT

Unless somehow there's a calibration process for the DME to know the now new maximum amount of valve lift, which is usually capped to around 9.7mm, but if it's a mechanical change, and there's really no direct position sensor other than eccentric shaft positioning, i'm not sure how that's the case, and a 9.7mm target would now be 10.7mm again, assuming it's a linear change.

I'm going to have to wager that most of the tuning is simply just increasing torque demand appropriately to take advantage of the additional valve lift, and flow benefits of the duration, while making sure injection windows are still within optimal range.

Given that if @yourtuner is tuning with torque in mind, more airflow = more torque, thus the car will target less boost to achieve the same torque demand., meaning raise torque barring ignition timings the same = more boost = moar power, which is where your gains are.

That said, I'm game if someone is game Maybe have to poke @-Edios to do it..

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+1mm of lift and 2-3 degrees of duration is enough to cause valve contact in some motors.. the question is how close are we, and will there be contact without tuning?

Cause if not, what would the tuning get you if you're already at the maximum amount of flow with the MILVS in place and stock valvetronic tables other than maximizing BSFC, and making sure we're still within limits of MBT

Unless somehow there's a calibration process for the DME to know the now new maximum amount of valve lift, which is usually capped to around 9.7mm, but if it's a mechanical change, and there's really no direct position sensor other than eccentric shaft positioning, i'm not sure how that's the case, and a 9.7mm target would now be 10.7mm again, assuming it's a linear change.

I'm going to have to wager that most of the tuning is simply just increasing torque demand appropriately to take advantage of the additional valve lift, and flow benefits of the duration, while making sure injection windows are still within optimal range.

Given that if @yourtuner is tuning with torque in mind, more airflow = more torque, thus the car will target less boost to achieve the same torque demand., meaning raise torque barring ignition timings the same = more boost = moar power, which is where your gains are.

That said, I'm game if someone is game Maybe have to poke @-Edios to do it..

Sorry for hijacking your @fgc7533
Reach out to cobra Marty, I know he's done alot of bench testing and assures his product is safe.

Yes it's 10.7mm of lift with the MILVS.
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