[detroitm2]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

Mate, stop contradicting yourself. Just a few posts above you said the N55 is the best sounding BMW. It does not sound "epic" in any way, even compared to a 4 cylinder civic. Please get off your high horse. It sounds a little better than the S55 version, but both are not "good" in any way and far away from "epic." You will need to get into a V8 and V10 BMWs to get anywhere close to Epic. I've owned 3 different SUVs that sound better.

You are doing BMW a disservice by suggesting the N55 is the best sounding BMW. Owners like you who keep lifting their cars up to unrealistic levels is why people think the M brand is washed out.

For starters, he never said that.

Second, everyone's opinion of the sound quality is 100% subjective anyways.

There's folks out there who thing a 4 banger civic with a huge fart can sounds amazing. Doesn't make them right or wrong, just means they have different tastes.

That being said, the exhaust note of the N55 M2 is widely praised by a whole heap of folks both here, and in the media. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine. But trying to pose your opinion as fact is disingenuous, and the way you're coming across is just plain insulting. Take your trolls somewhere else.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by JustChris

N55 sounds way better than the S55 IMO.

OG M2 was a great car for me.

Yes indeed Chris

[veenut28]

I loved the M2 ever since it was released but I wasn't in a position to buy one until 2019. I wanted a new car so the M2C was it. I haven't spent much time around the OG or CS but it's definitely strange to see so much shade thrown around between the owners of the different species.

There are obviously differences between the cars and individual preferences for one vs the other, but it's a bit odd to hear some on this forum say they'd NEVER buy the OG or the C. Come on. They're very similar. Can't we all just get along. band together and make fun of the new M3/M4 grilles?

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by veenut28

I loved the M2 ever since it was released but I wasn't in a position to buy one until 2019. I wanted a new car so the M2C was it. I haven't spent much time around the OG or CS but it's definitely strange to see so much shade thrown around between the owners of the different species.

There are obviously differences between the cars and individual preferences for one vs the other, but it's a bit odd to hear some on this forum say they'd NEVER buy the OG or the C. Come on. They're very similar. Can't we all just get along. band together and make fun of the new M3/M4 grilles?

Unfortunately, no, it's impossible for us M2/M2C/M2CS enthusiasts to all just get along.

Anyone here a follower of Scott Alexander?

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/3...-the-outgroup/

No? (Crickets...) Yeah, I suspect the overlap between car forum membership and Rationalist Movement is pretty small. But, as Scott Alexander so pithily put it, "I can tolerate anything except for the outgroup." So, what makes an outgroup? "Proximity plus small differences."

That's why you see Catholics and Protestants blowing each other up, but both groups say nice words when they talk about Hindus. That's why Real Madrid and Barca fans are happy to slit each others' throats, but say, "Oh, yeah, the Red Sox? Uh... they must be a good team." And that's why you see M2/M2C/M2CS enthusiasts clawing each others' eyeballs out, when the real enemy is the Nissan Rogue.

But, you know, god save my soul, but I LOVE the crazy back-biting and random attacks on this forum. It makes for fun reading. And it's a great way for us to vent our id, so that in real life, hopefully, we can be well-mannered and well-domesticated human beings.

[BMWGirlFL]

[BruceM]

I think the N55 M2 with a stock exhaust and a sport-catted DP is the sweet spot for that engine. Not a big pop-and-bang-on-lift guy, myself. Is it the best sounding engine on the planet? Obviously not. I can think of many better--the recent Ferrari NA 12 cylinders are freaking amazing, for example. But at a more human level of car, this is a good sound. The stock S55 on the M2C is not my aural cup of tea. I like it better with the AA mid-pipe, but that is a difficult engine to tune for sound.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

I think you are delusional, but it's understandable since you own the car.

If you think that the M2 (N55) is the best sounding BMW, then you must be new to the brand. May be out of your price range, but you should try driving an S65 or S85 BMW. They actually sound exotic next to an N55 fart can.

Oh my, a bit of a snob are we? You clearly are trolling the forum, everyone and their grandma says the n55 is amazing sound to it and sounds exotic , you calling n55 a fartcan i can only imagine what the s55 would be in that case, the car you are pleading with ppl is leaps beyond

By the way you know me? Who i am or what i do? What i can and can't aford? You do know that the cars you mentioned can be had for less than the price of m2?

Your comments do demonstrate however your mindset, all your auto advice has been strictly about cost and price ranges , you lack a bunch in the passion category. Your posts remind me of those dudes that get their harleys shipped into bike week on a trailerbed and then drive the last 1/2 kilometre into town,

lol you sound crazy

[AndroidRobot]

I bought a 2018 M2 with 6300 miles the other day owned by an elderly doctor who never drove. The M2 is amazing, sure the comp is marginally better but no one can drive the OG M2 and tell me it didn't make them smile. This car is stupid fun, I absolutely love everything about it, simple interior, no nonsense features, pure driving pleasure. if you turn DSC off the car struggles to stay in a straight line under full throttle which is so much fun! I bought this little guy and traded in my fully loaded 2091 X5 50i for it. I have a G80 M3 Comp AWD on order coming in August so this was a fun car to hold me over until then.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

I think you are delusional, but it's understandable since you own the car.

If you think that the M2 (N55) is the best sounding BMW, then you must be new to the brand. May be out of your price range, but you should try driving an S65 or S85 BMW. They actually sound exotic next to an N55 fart can.

it's not about the money, the M2 isn't expensive. I traded in a car that was much more expensive for my OG M2 and I have no regrets. Sure the S85 is amazing, who doesn't love a V10... the N55 doesn't sound bad at all, it's not my N63 of my last car but I don't care because the car is still amazing to drive

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

I bought a 2018 M2 with 6300 miles the other day owned by an elderly doctor who never drove. The M2 is amazing, sure the comp is marginally better but no one can drive the OG M2 and tell me it didn't make them smile. This car is stupid fun, I absolutely love everything about it, simple interior, no nonsense features, pure driving pleasure. if you turn DSC off the car struggles to stay in a straight line under full throttle which is so much fun! I bought this little guy and traded in my fully loaded 2091 X5 50i for it. I have a G80 M3 Comp AWD on order coming in August so this was a fun car to hold me over until then.

AWD won't be as fun as the M2 IMHO.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

AWD won't be as fun as the M2 IMHO.

I know it won't be, I might keep my M2 anyway. the goal was to build a track car, strip it out, roll cage, etc but I don't know what I'm going to do now. I love the M2, I'd like one in a standard (mines the M-DCT) but we will see what happens. I might go another direct all together. I ordered AWD on my G80 so it could launch, but as with the M5 you can disengage the front diff and only have RWD. my G80 is fully optioned to the tune of $100K +/- $2K since the ordering guide hasn't dropped for AWD yet

[akkando]

Originally Posted by cptobvious

Unfortunately, no, it's impossible for us M2/M2C/M2CS enthusiasts to all just get along.

Anyone here a follower of Scott Alexander?

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/3...-the-outgroup/

No? (Crickets...) Yeah, I suspect the overlap between car forum membership and Rationalist Movement is pretty small. But, as Scott Alexander so pithily put it, "I can tolerate anything except for the outgroup." So, what makes an outgroup? "Proximity plus small differences."

That's why you see Catholics and Protestants blowing each other up, but both groups say nice words when they talk about Hindus. That's why Real Madrid and Barca fans are happy to slit each others' throats, but say, "Oh, yeah, the Red Sox? Uh... they must be a good team." And that's why you see M2/M2C/M2CS enthusiasts clawing each others' eyeballs out, when the real enemy is the Nissan Rogue.

But, you know, god save my soul, but I LOVE the crazy back-biting and random attacks on this forum. It makes for fun reading. And it's a great way for us to vent our id, so that in real life, hopefully, we can be well-mannered and well-domesticated human beings.

That blog reminds me of thelastpsychiatrist.

[Fuji550i]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Nice post buddy & well said.
I come from a background of 30 years of performance cars ownership & 20 years of motorsport competition (been on most the big forums/still on a few) & I simply don't understand the hatred you find on this site towards fellow enthusiasts. Is it a brand thing ? Is it snobbery ? Is it inexperience ? Is it insecurity ? Is it immaturity ?... I don't know but it's a shame it's tolerated & even encouraged by some on here.
The division between M2, M2C & M2CS owners on this site at times is almost like Ford vs Chev, Which is crazy because they are all versions of the same car !.
Having said that, there are some really nice folk on here so it is worth persisting, best just to try to stay away from the M2CS threads as those people CAN be particularly nasty/sad.
I have recently been spending more time on the M3/4 forum as I'm interested in most new performance cars & I found the owners on there are generally a little older/wiser demographic & as such are more accommodating of others ( just don't mention the grille ).
What's odd is I recently got out of an AMG & you would expect a similar demographic to BMW M owners but it was a much more pleasant group of owners/enthusiasts.
Anyway all the best & be assured we are not all arseholes .

The division between M2, M2C & M2CS owners on this site at times is almost like Ford vs Chev, Which is crazy because they are all versions of the same car !.
Having said that, there are some really nice folk on here so it is worth persisting, best just to try to stay away from the M2CS threads as those people CAN be particularly nasty/sad.

Seriously, I am one of the CS owner and I don't think anyone of us are sad or nasty.

The true enemy and all the hatred should gear toward BMW marketing because they make each new variant of the M2 with more Goodies or should I say more appealing to the buyer. Just like Apple selling their iPhone with different models. Why do buyer pay more for a pro instead of a SE?

For the record, I lusted the OG M2 when it first came out because of the fender flare and the size but the OG was missing a lot of the M parts compared to other M cars. If BMW didn't produce any other M2 variances then the OG M2 would have the same sought after car just like the 1M.

We all should be happy for each other that we own a M2 regardless what model it is. If you are not happy about yours then do something to make you happy.

OG M2 ( lusted )
M2C. ( sold less than 1 year )
M2 CS. ( current)

[XutvJet]

I think the S55 is a great motor in terms of power and technology, but that crank hub is a huge issue, IMO. It would suck knowing that you really should fix that at some point prior to warranty expiring because of the potential motor doom a spun crank hub can inflict.

An S55 sound pretty terrible on a start and rather raspy and metallic under load. A midpipe can fix the sound a decent amount. The EWG N55 like the one used in the OG M2 sounds pretty freaking good. Add a catted DP and it sounds even better. The N55 with a DP and MPE has a very fluid warble that growls under heavy load and screams up top. It sounds like an NA I6 on steroids with some faint turbo noises.

I'm a DIYer. My M235 with the nearly the same N55 as the one used on the OG M2 has been flawless over it's course of 5.5 years and 50K miles of ownership. The N55 alone is the reason I see the OG M2 as the ideal option for me. The N55 is simple in comparison. Power wise, it not superior. The S55 will always come out ahead. The liquid to air intercooling on the S55 is ideal, but it's complex and can leak coolant into the motor, yikes! Then there's the crank hub. Parts for the S55 have the typical "M" markup. The N55 parts generally do not. Parts, overall, are cheaper for the N55.

If you want a reliable M2, I think the OG M2 is the better choice. The N55 is easy to tune and get into the 390-400whp/420-430wtq range on pump gas with the basic bolt-ons. That's a pretty fast car. If you want a higher revving turbo motor that can make 500whp without breaking a sweat, the M2C/CS is where it's at. Of course, that is assuming your DME isn't locked.

[Karmic Man]

Here we go again

[AmooManiak]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I think the S55 is a great motor in terms of power and technology, but that crank hub is a huge issue, IMO. It would suck knowing that you really should fix that at some point prior to warranty expiring because of the potential motor doom a spun crank hub can inflict.

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me. The N55 and S55 crank hubs are the same.

Go look at the latest poll as far as how often this occurs and what's causing the crank hub to fail. Hint, it's not power levels so you can see it on the N55 just much.

People will always blow things out of proportion to justify things. In this case, it affects both cars the same.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1526190

[W///]

M2 drivers taking the baton from M3 drivers

[akkando]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me. The N55 and S55 crank hubs are the same.

Go look at the latest poll as far as how often this occurs and what's causing the crank hub to fail. Hint, it's not power levels so you can see it on the N55 just much.

People will always blow things out of proportion to justify things. In this case, it affects both cars the same.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1526190

You don't see the crank hub failure on n55 as often as s55. So many more n55 engines sold by bmw and not a whisper of crank hub failure concern.

Not a single n55 m2 crank hub failure I'm aware of on this forum but it didn't take long after the m2c showed up to see posts about failures here and bmw replacing engines.

[AmooManiak]

Originally Posted by akkando

You don't see the crank hub failure on n55 as often as s55. So many more n55 engines sold by bmw and not a whisper of crank hub failure concern.

Not a single n55 m2 crank hub failure I'm aware of on this forum but it didn't take long after the m2c showed up to see posts about failures here and bmw replacing engines.

Again, in the thread I just pointed out to you there were 5 known failures on N55 just a few posts down.

There's an active poll on the M2C forum which includes tuned cars and out of 111, there are 3 failures.

At the end of the day, they have the same crank hub and based on history, power output is not the main issue so this part can fail on either car.

[AlpsRider]

Yes, I I think that it's safe to say that the squeaky wheel gets the grease in a forum setting. I think that the whole spun crank hub problem is getting blown way out of proportion. It would be interesting to see the percentage of spun crank hubs there have been in the S55 total production. My guess is that it's extremely low.

[Dasnub]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Yes, I I think that it's safe to say that the squeaky wheel gets the grease in a forum setting. I think that the whole spun crank hub problem is getting blown way out of proportion. It would be interesting to see the percentage of spun crank hubs there have been in the S55 total production. My guess is that it's extremely low.

Issues do get more attention on forums and there can be a perception that a large percentage of cars have a particular issue when it’s actually much smaller. At the same time, 3 spun crank hubs (so far- M2Cs are all relatively new, low mileage still) on 111 tuned cars is a HUGE failure rate from an engineering standpoint, and a reasonable concern when you consider the cost of a new S55. The biggest argument for the M2C tends to be tunability but if it can’t be tuned reliability, it’s not actually an advantage. BMW would never let a car get close to leaving the factory with a 3% engine failure rate- and of those 111, you can be sure that number will go up before they all get out of warranty.

[6speed_M2]

@pruettfan out of curiosity what are your modifications? I wonder how much juice it takes a bone stock OG to be at the comp's level in terms of lap times