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      04-09-2021, 10:00 AM   #1
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No love for OG M2

I am tired of forum members slamming the original M2. There main complaint is that it is not a real M car because it doesn’t have an Sxxx engine.

By their argument the highly sought after 1M isn’t an M car either.

Let us be honest folks. As a daily driver there is very little difference in any of the M2 varieties. The driver skills are the most difference.

There is no doubt that the M2C and M2CS are better track stars. But most M2s will see no or very limited track time. And most track time seen are in HPDE and not races.
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LOL First time I hear this, that's crazy. I like the N55 on the OG M2 and it doesn't matter what engine, it's a real M car.
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      04-09-2021, 11:55 AM   #3
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I think the OGM2 is a real M car. The wide hips and M suspension along with a beefed up N55 earns it M status. I had actually tried to buy a MG OG but at the time the M2C had just come out and I was able to order a M2C for just a few thousand more.
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I am tired of forum members slamming the original M2. There main complaint is that it is not a real M car because it doesn’t have an Sxxx engine.

By their argument the highly sought after 1M isn’t an M car either.

Let us be honest folks. As a daily driver there is very little difference in any of the M2 varieties. The driver skills are the most difference.

There is no doubt that the M2C and M2CS are better track stars. But most M2s will see no or very limited track time. And most track time seen are in HPDE and not races.
You can't let this sort of thing bother you man, as it only matters if you're happy with what you have, and if they make you feel unhappy, then they're getting the better of you.

BMW themselves are the only people that get to say what a true M-car is, and they put a real M-car badge on the OG, so it's an M-car, don't listen to everyone else.

The S-talk never bothered me because I don't track my car, and being as honest as I can be, if both cars were offered at the same price I'd choose the OG. Of course, they aren't quite the same price, so that's a real factor as well.

OG
1. Better sound
2. Better looking wheels
3. Less maintenance
4. Lighter
5. More of a true BMW front end style
6. Better price
7. Less insurance

I do like that 2NH brake option, but wouldn't choose it.
I do like the look of the M2C seats, but they aren't any more comfortable (to me)
I do like the extra power, but feel like the standard car has more than enough
I do like the heavier feel (slightly softer) of the car on the road, but it's meaningless after purchasing the M Performance suspension
I do like that Sunset Orange, but would still choose LBB
I do like those seatbelts

The S-code is literally meaningless to me.
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      04-09-2021, 12:39 PM   #5
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Everyone just wants to justify their own purchase of the vehicle. Most M2 comp owners will tell you it’s way better than an M2 and therefore worth the extra money, while most CS owners will say the same thing about their cars to comp owners.

Meanwhile, m240i/m235i owners will insist that they basically have an M2 already but that they were smart enough to get almost the same performance at a discounted price.

The problem here is human nature.

I’d bet good money though, that if you went to a “neutral” car forum and asked them if the OG M2 was a real M car, 99 percent of people would be like “WTF are you talking about? Why wouldn’t it be a real M car? What does “OG” mean? Who cares about some essay engine?”
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Everyone just wants to justify their own purchase of the vehicle. Most M2 comp owners will tell you it’s way better than an M2 and therefore worth the extra money, while most CS owners will say the same thing about their cars to comp owners.

Meanwhile, m240i/m235i owners will insist that they basically have an M2 already but that they were smart enough to get almost the same performance at a discounted price.

The problem here is human nature.

I’d bet good money though, that if you went to a “neutral” car forum and asked them if the OG M2 was a real M car, 99 percent of people would be like “WTF are you talking about? Why wouldn’t it be a real M car? What does “OG” mean? Who cares about some essay engine?”
Exactly right.

Personally, I'd only consider an M2 with an S55, not because it's faster or anything like that, but I so much prefer the character of that engine vs the N55T when you're reaching redline. That's a very important trait for me, and to me it was no contest. The fact they barely increased the price makes it even more of a no brainer.

Keep in mind, I own a US spec E36 M3, so I hear all the time about how we never got a real engine. Doesn't bother me one bit to be honest, but I also have no problem admitting the Euro engine is more of a "real" M engine. At the end of the day, who cares what other think. If you're happy, that's all that matters.

P.S. I think the 1M is definitely an M car, but I don't think the engine is the highlight at all. Kind of same goes for my E36.
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There is no singular definition of an M car.

Jesus, BMW called it the M2, clue is in the name.

What annoys me more is the amazing reviews OG had then it got forgotten about like it's shit on a shoe!

Come for a ride in my car with braaap braaap manual changes!
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Everyone needs to justify their own purchase. There's pros and cons on all 3 variants. We will all be united soon when the G series flops, I mean drops.
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Everyone needs to justify their own purchase. There's pros and cons on all 3 variants. We will all be united soon when the G series flops, I mean drops.
You mean you don’t want a Mexican M2?
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Everyone needs to justify their own purchase. There's pros and cons on all 3 variants. We will all be united soon when the G series flops, I mean drops.
You mean you don’t want a Mexican M2?
It's just called ///Mexican2
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Everyone just wants to justify their own purchase of the vehicle.
I have read this in probably every thread like this (and there are a lot). But the thing that makes me think otherwise is the price point. If you can afford an M2, you can afford an M2C. Yes, there are some that had to wait for the car to come down in price a bit to make it affordable, but in general, the demographic we're looking at here can afford to switch pretty easily.

In my case, I had a sneaking suspicion that BMW would put the S55 in an M2, and waited until that happened before I made my decision. Yes, the additional price of the M2C made a difference, but it wasn't the biggest difference, and in all honesty, I wouldn't have even noticed the digits change in my bank account.

I guess what I'm saying is; if this general demographic of people thought they were really missing something by not having purchased the M2C, they'd just trade, yet a lot of them don't.

I think it's just hard for a lot of people to wrap their minds around the fact that someone (many people, in fact) could like the original car better, even though it doesn't have an S code engine, and has less power.

Also, not arguing with your points at all, just stating mine!
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Everyone needs to justify their own purchase. There's pros and cons on all 3 variants. We will all be united soon when the G series flops, I mean drops.
You mean you don’t want a Mexican M2?
Lo siento, no.
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I bought my OG M2 knowing it was ending production the following summer

The sounds it makes are absolutely intoxicating

I have zero regrets
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Meanwhile, m240i/m235i owners will insist that they basically have an M2 already but that they were smart enough to get almost the same performance at a discounted price.
Not for me. My first BMW was a 2015 M235i and I absolutely loved it. Until the 2016 M2 came out. I had M2 envy so bad that I fell out of love with the M235i. The two big differences for me were the added bulges and fender flares and the LSD. The M2 was/is a real M car, no doubt.

But I do agree with you that the performance was nearly the same. And that's why I couldn't see spending an additional $25K or so to upgrade. Instead I bought the 1LE Camaro and got a street legal racecar.
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I bought my OG M2 knowing it was ending production the following summer

The sounds it makes are absolutely intoxicating

I have zero regrets
Sorry, but if you think an M2 sounds intoxicating, then you haven't driven real performance cars. I said this in another thread - the OG M2 is just a less bad version of the S55 M2. Neither sounds GOOD.
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All i know is the OG is an awesome car.

Carry on...
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I am tired of forum members slamming the original M2. There main complaint is that it is not a real M car because it doesn’t have an Sxxx engine.

By their argument the highly sought after 1M isn’t an M car either.

Let us be honest folks. As a daily driver there is very little difference in any of the M2 varieties. The driver skills are the most difference.

There is no doubt that the M2C and M2CS are better track stars. But most M2s will see no or very limited track time. And most track time seen are in HPDE and not races.
How long are you keeping your OG M2 Dan? Until the G87 M2?
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How long are you keeping your OG M2 Dan? Until the G87 M2?
I plan on keeping it at least 10 years unless it gets in a bad accident.
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You mean you don’t want a Mexican M2?
According to lemetier the G87 might actually be made in Austria.


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I'd imagine Graz is more likely. Magna is the contract manufacturer for G42/G82 BiW after all.
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You mean you don't want a Mexican M2?
According to lemetier the G87 might actually be made in Austria.


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I'd imagine Graz is more likely. Magna is the contract manufacturer for G42/G82 BiW after all.
Location of Manufacture and Location of Assembly should not be confused.

FWIW, for QC reasons, I'd take a Mexico originating BMW over any other plant.
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I bought my OG M2 knowing it was ending production the following summer

The sounds it makes are absolutely intoxicating

I have zero regrets
Sorry, but if you think an M2 sounds intoxicating, then you haven't driven real performance cars. I said this in another thread - the OG M2 is just a less bad version of the S55 M2. Neither sounds GOOD.
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You need an ear exam stat
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