[SilverScotty]

Just out of curiosity, have you seen this video? Granted it's the CS but it has a lot of good info in the Supra design etc.

[Moflow]

I really like them. Only thing keeping me from considering them is the lack of manual transmission.

If I didn’t care about that I’d probably have bought one in the first place instead of the M2.

[MmmmmM2]

Don't forget that the 2021 Supra's are having an issue where they are burning through oil.

[Bumpinjeep]

Honestly, I think the car looks too goofy, doesn't come with a stick, can't drive it with the windows down, is a reskinned Z4 and to be honest, doesn't look as good in my mind. I also hate all of the fake vents. The funniest thing i've seen was when the car came out, there's a youtube video of journalists and youtube people at a track with one of the Toyota guys. I think he was head of R&D or someone high up. He goes, you have to pull the hood release latch twice because that's how it was on the MK4 Supra. I'm like, dude, its a BMW, they all do that because they're BMWs. What a load of crock.

Now, if it looked like this on the other hand... that would be a completely different story.

[Zagnificent55]

I’ve seen a few Supras on the road lately that look very attractive with certain trim pieces in place. Still, the B58 just doesn’t do it for me. I’ve driven the new Z4 on track, and it was markedly less exciting than the M2C with the DCT. Given that I don’t really track my car, the manual transmission is really the superior option for enjoyable to/fro trips around town. Paired with the S55, I can’t imagine trading that for a Supra.

Also, I like to occasionally drive with my windows down. That’s not a thing in the Supra, from what I’ve read. I think if you really want a Supra, sell the M2C, and wait a year or two to get into a Supra. I think they’ll depreciate rather starkly, especially the early run with less power.

[Jeff01234567]

In benchmarking the Porsche Cayman, Toyota seemed to have forgotten that the M2 exists. There are probably way more people cross-shopping the two compared to those cross-shopping a Porsche and Toyota. Probably not completely their fault since back when development started (assuming 2014 because that's when the FT-1 concept was released), the M2 was still years away from going on sale to the public. Personally, if the M2 didn't exist, I would've bought the Supra.

If the Supra came with a manual, that might've been enough to sway me. If the Supra was another 200 pounds lighter, that would've swayed me. If the Supra got a DCT instead of the ZF8, that would've been enough. If the Supra got a S55/58, I would've definitely picked that over the M2. If the Supra's price started $5,000 less, that would've been an awesome deal that would've stolen me away. The Supra was so close to overtaking the M2, but it's just missing any one of those extra things above that would've pushed me over the edge.

[PCAHvet]

It's fugly, IMO and you'll receive Camry level of customer service.

[Jeff01234567]

Originally Posted by PCAHvet

It's fugly, IMO and you'll receive Camry level of customer service.

Supposedly there is a Toyota concierge line set up just for Supra customers, and dealerships have specially trained technicians to service Supras.

I don't think the brand itself is too big of a deal, similarly I would think a brand like Chevy also treats their Corvette customers much differently than their Cruze customers

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by PCAHvet

It's fugly, IMO and you'll receive Camry level of customer service.

You mean like the BMW dealer that put 75W-90 in my M diff?

[Throttlemonkey]

Originally Posted by (K)

Had the Supra come in a manual I would have considered one. For the price though, the S55 M2C is, IMO, the better option. To that point, I'm sure that with a tune the Supra can be made even quicker. Just keep in mind that newer Supras will also have issues with DME lock. Just food for thought!

The DME lock, am I right in thinking it's a matter of time before a tuner 'cracks' this? Or is this a permanent thing that can never be unlocked regardless of any method used?

[Killramos]

Are you mad? No

Blind? Maybe lol

I would be embarrassed to be seen getting out of a Supra...

[(K)]

Originally Posted by Throttlemonkey

The DME lock, am I right in thinking it's a matter of time before a tuner 'cracks' this? Or is this a permanent thing that can never be unlocked regardless of any method used?

I'm thinking it's a matter of time but that the period could be months or years. We just don't know.

I say this because if there's technology to lock it then I'm sure there's a way to unlock it in due time.

[AWFTMFWIN]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Yes, it can do a quick 0-60 but it’s a laggard everywhere else. In the US Toyota even has a commercial running that demonstrates the 0-60....nothing else.

[Throttlemonkey]

Originally Posted by Killramos

Are you mad? No

Blind? Maybe lol

I would be embarrassed to be seen getting out of a Supra...

Even one like this? Obviously had mods for track but to me I kinda like this..

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by (K)

I'm thinking it's a matter of time but that the period could be months or years. We just don't know.

I say this because if there's technology to lock it then I'm sure there's a way to unlock it in due time.

Bosch gave their customers a guarantee it wouldn't be cracked

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by Throttlemonkey

Even one like this? Obviously had mods for track but to me I kinda like this..

Especially one like that haha

[Throttlemonkey]

Originally Posted by Killramos

Especially one like that haha

Hahaha damn you!

[natmad]

Originally Posted by wjones14

This might surprise you. Head to head between the two cars at Laguna Seca with Randy Pobst driving.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyo...-track-battle/

I read the article linked above... at the bottom of the Motor Trend page was a jump to the 12 Best Drivers Cars Ranked article.

See pictures of article below for how the cars drive vs the lap times.

I’d rather have a better drivers car than a slightly faster lap time, and how many of us can drive like Randy Pobst anyway, right?

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...1&d=1617910410

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...1&d=1617910410

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...1&d=1617910410

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by Throttlemonkey

Hahaha damn you!

Meh life would be boring if we all liked exactly the same things.

[Steelguin]

To me the Supra looks like something a teenager would be driving. Its too busy. I really like the older Supras appearance more than the new one.

[Fabb]

Originally Posted by Ratcher

Nah, they won't.
If the Supra is quicker around one lap worldwide I don't really care. The M2C is in general quicker.

How the rear suspension behaves under heavy braking is horrendous...

I genuinely don't know why you would disregard the laptime comparison from Randy. This video have demonstrated despite having lower HP, the supra have superior chassis to yield faster laptimes in a racetrack.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Fabb

I genuinely don't know why you would disregard the laptime comparison from Randy. This video have demonstrated despite having lower HP, the supra have superior chassis to yield faster laptimes in a racetrack.

The Supra does come with bigger tires, so there's that.