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      08-30-2017, 11:06 PM   #639
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To be honest...I want more width on the rim rather than more height

These S55 Ms (which all have traction issues especially in 1st and 2nd) need more tyres...way more tyres than what's standard on them.

The simplest 911 GTS variant is the RWD 6MT version with the same engine power as the M3/M4 ZCP but comes in at a lighter weight at 1450kg DIN (and rear weight bias). It has a 305 at the rear and a 245 at the front.

The M4 ZCP (1550kg+ DIN) has a 285 at the back and a 265 at the front... the M4CS with more performance also has the same staggered setup

It is frustrating whenever you are at a stop start drag race you are always let down by a lack of traction with rear tyres smoking up instead of going forward. More tyres also provides more stability at a higher speed.
They can fit wider tires on the 9 and 10 inch wheels. The M3/4 (regular and Competition) uses the same width wheels as the M2.
The Competition F80's wear 265/285 to handle 444hp, so more rubber than the base M2 should be easy to do.
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I'm planning to order a new LCI model. It will be delivered in Januari. But the more I read about the CS... from now on, I can't justify the price increase.. will it have adjustable DCT settings? Bucket seats? Carbon roof? M mirrors?!

Still don't know if waiting for the CS is worth it.
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I'm planning to order a new LCI model. It will be delivered in Januari. But the more I read about the CS... from now on, I can't justify the price increase.. will it have adjustable DCT settings? Bucket seats? Carbon roof? M mirrors?!

Still don't know if waiting for the CS is worth it.
More I see and hear, more I suspect this will be more of a CP for M2 rather than a CS, much like the M4 equivalents.

So I would expect a modest price increase (~€7k/£6k/$8k) with minimal changes.

No CF roof
No change of seats
Possible new wheels along line of CP or CS
Change of engine with power increase of course
Some cosmetic changes
And thats about it.

At least that's what I'm hoping for! CF roof or unique seats (as much as I would want them) are going to add too much £££££

Needs to be comfortable DD not a track weapon. Leave that for the GTS if it ever happens.

The item I would want most and top of my wish list would be Adaptive M Suspension. Biggest single missing factor on current M2 for me.

It's on the M3/M4, it's on the Mx35i/Mx40i and you can even spec it on regular series cars.

The one car you can't spec it on is the car I want it on most.
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The M3/4 (regular and Competition) uses the same width wheels as the M2.
Are you sure? I thought M2 has 10 inch....M3/4 has 10.5 inch

305 fit on M3/4.
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Are you sure? I thought M2 has 10 inch....M3/4 has 10.5 inch

305 fit on M3/4.
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Yep...
Are you saying you put 305 tires on M2 with those wheel combos? If I misunderstood. What tires are you running with those wheel combos?

Folks can have much more fun with their car on a daily basis with wider rubber rather than trying to attain higher HP numbers.
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Are you saying you put 305 tires on M2 with those wheel combos? If I misunderstood. What tires are you running with those wheel combos?

Folks can have much more fun with their car on a daily basis with wider rubber rather than trying to attain higher HP numbers.
No, I was responding to the wheel width question on M2 versus M3/4. They all have 9" and 10" wide rims (except the M4 GTS with 9.5 and 10.5)

...so to hope for wider wheels is unlikely in my humble opinion. Getting wider tires on the other hand should be feasible:

All on 9" and 10" rims:

F87: 245/265
F80: 255/275
F80 Competition: 265/285
F82 "CS": 265/285 (Cup 2)

I'm curious if NA market will also get the Cup 2 tires on the M4CS. I have been under the impression that our laws here made that less likely and we would see a 'safer' road tire (PSS or PS4S)?

Either way as far as I can see it would make sense that the M2CS could wear 255/275 on a 9 and 10" wheel.

...and I don't have an M2. But I do have 255/275 PS4S on my stock 1M wheels (9 and 10").
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I'm curious if NA market will also get the Cup 2 tires on the M4CS. I have been under the impression that our laws here made that less likely and we would see a 'safer' road tire (PSS or PS4S)?
"A new DTM-design light-alloy wheel variant has been developed specially for the BMW M4 CS in Orbit Grey. It comes in a 9 x 19 –inch format for the front and 10 x 20 inches for the rear. The ten-spoke wheels are fitted as standard with road-legal Michelin cup tyres (front: 265/35 R 19, rear: 285/30 R 20). Higher-profile sports tyres can be ordered as an option."

"A new, forged light-alloy wheel option in Orbit Grey has been specially developed for the new BMW M4 CS. Its ten-spoke design takes its cues from the wheels of the successful M4 cars competing in the German Touring Car Masters (DTM) race series. The BMW M GmbH engineers have rigorously applied their lightweight design approach to the wheels as well. The 10 J x 20-inch wheels at the rear weigh no more than around ten kilograms each and their 9 J x 19-inch counterparts at the front a mere nine kilograms or so. That keeps the unsprung masses low, which is another factor in the exceptionally dynamic handling of the M4 CS. The M4 CS rides as standard on mixed-size Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres (265/35 R 19 at the front and 285/30 R 20 at the rear). The cup tyres are designed to transfer the steering forces to the road surface with incredible precision, while also providing the driver with as much feedback as possible. They are eminently suited to track use and offer maximum grip. Drivers looking to keep their M4 CS mainly for everyday use, though, can opt for the Michelin Pilot Super Sport tyres instead, which generate more grip on wet roads than the Cup tyres."

(source: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1375882)
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I know some people say the "CS" and "Competition" models are really the same thing, but then there is this article.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/8/1...erica-7740657/

They clearly make a distinction between the Competition and CS models and stated that the former will be using a 380HP N55 while the latter will use the detuned S55.

Is the Carbuzz writer just confused?
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The more i read this thread the more unsure i am of what the hell is going on. Not anyone's fault but BMW though lol
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I know some people say the "CS" and "Competition" models are really the same thing, but then there is this article.
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/8/1...erica-7740657/
They clearly make a distinction between the Competition and CS models and stated that the former will be using a 380HP N55 while the latter will use the detuned S55.
Is the Carbuzz writer just confused?
See post #429 of this thread.

The forthcoming M2 CS ("M2 Competition") is powered by an S55 engine (3.0 litre) with 410 hp (metric) output (302 kW). That's a fact.
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See post #429 of this thread.

The forthcoming M2 CS ("M2 Competition") is powered by an S55 engine (3.0 litre) with 410 hp (metric) output (302 kW). That's a fact.

I read that before and that's the source of what I said in the first line I believe.

But where is Carbuzz getting the 380hp N55 "all but official" from? Then you mentioned a M2 with a N55 sounding engine being tested as well.
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Artemis, do you know what percentage of price increase the M2 CS will be over the base? 25%?
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Artemis, do you know what percentage of price increase the M2 CS will be over the base? 25%?
Honestly, no. Feel free to read post #591 of this thread and you'll almost certainly understand why.

The more spicy goodies on board (either stock or optional), the lighter your wallet will be. Wallet weight saver.

My guesstimate used to be approx. +50% (as for the E46 M3 CSL versus E46 M3) if all bells 'n whistles are on board. But again, that's just a guess.
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Honestly, no. Feel free to read post #591 and you'll almost certainly understand why.

The more spicy goodies on board (either stock or optional), the lighter your wallet will be. Wallet weight saver.

My guesstimate used to be approx. +50% (as for the E46 M3 CSL versus E46 M3) if all bells 'n whistles are on board. But again, that's just a guess.
If this is an E46 M3 CSL type upgrade, 50% hike would be appropriate. Do you think it could be such an upgrade ?
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If this is an E46 M3 CSL type upgrade, 50% hike would be appropriate. Do you think it could be such an upgrade ?
No. The E46 M3 CSL was and remains a very peculiar car. BMW M managed to shave off 110 kg with that car, so it righteously got the CSL badge.

But look at the M4 CS versus M4 pricing + what you (don't) get for the base price.
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I'm planning to order a new LCI model. It will be delivered in Januari. But the more I read about the CS... from now on, I can't justify the price increase.. will it have adjustable DCT settings? Bucket seats? Carbon roof? M mirrors?!

Still don't know if waiting for the CS is worth it.
Is that considered a 4th quarter build? I am on the list for a 4th quarter build, but havn't heard anything from the dealer. I was hoping for a March delivery.
Illinois winters/salty roads will not touch my fun cars. Also hoping to here concrete info on the CS.
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No. The E46 M3 CSL was and remains a very peculiar car. BMW M managed to shave off 110 kg with that car, so it righteously got the CSL badge.

But look at the M4 CS versus M4 pricing + what you (don't) get for the base price.
The M4 CS at 100K USD is overpriced for what they offer on the base car. I hope the M2 CS does not get the same treatment.
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The more i read this thread the more unsure i am of what the hell is going on. Not anyone's fault but BMW though lol
Their marketing focus is on the new M5 right now. Give it a couple of months.
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I know some people say the "CS" and "Competition" models are really the same thing, but then there is this article.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/8/1...erica-7740657/

They clearly make a distinction between the Competition and CS models and stated that the former will be using a 380HP N55 while the latter will use the detuned S55.

Is the Carbuzz writer just confused?
I just looked through the document that Carbuzz mentioned.

Looks like there will be both MT and AT for Europe and the US for left-hand driven cars, but right-hand driven cars will be AT only.

Furthermore there is no mentioning of both a Competition and CS arriving (ZCP would be an option to the "normal" M2, so it's still possible) but a F87 Competition is mentioned. So no addition to the things we know, except right-hand driven cars will be AT only I guess.
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The more i read this thread the more unsure i am of what the hell is going on. Not anyone's fault but BMW though lol
Their marketing focus is on the new M5 right now. Give it a couple of months.
Yes good point. Given ambitiously high pricing of M4CS and new M5 things not looking good for M2CS price?
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