M2 vs 2017 Cayman Base

Lp01 · 08-19-2016, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by parrnan

In fact, except on the 0-60 mph or 0-100 kmh, the 718 will be way faster than the M2 because the M2 is limited to 250 kmh when the 918, like every Porsche, is not limited and has a top speed of 275 kmh according to Porsche. The 918 S has a 285 kmh top speed. BMW should follow Porsche example and remove the speed limiter on all its M cars !

If it happens that top speed is really important to you, you can unlimit the M2 with a hundred (or couple hundred) bucks.

I personally doubt that top speed will be a key decision variable for most potential buyers interested on both models because you can so easily unrestrain it without dropping a lot of money buying the drivers package (which nevertheless mantains a speed limit, although higher and equal to Porsche's top speed...).

parrnan · 08-19-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lp01

If it happens that top speed is really important to you, you can unlimit the M2 with a hundred (or couple hundred) bucks.

I personally doubt that top speed will be a key decision variable for most potential buyers interested on both models because you can so easily unrestrain it without dropping a lot of money buying the drivers package (which nevertheless mantains a speed limit, although higher and equal to Porsche's top speed...).

Maybe in your country but here it seems that no one know how to do it. The only option here is to buy a aftermarket ECU reflash but if you do that to void your car warranty... So it is not a good idea to do it in the first 4 years of the car ownership...

The "M Driver's package" is not available here. But even if it would be available, it would be way too expensive.

hoyasaxa · 08-19-2016, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lp01

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Originally Posted by parrnan

In fact, except on the 0-60 mph or 0-100 kmh, the 718 will be way faster than the M2 because the M2 is limited to 250 kmh when the 918, like every Porsche, is not limited and has a top speed of 275 kmh according to Porsche. The 918 S has a 285 kmh top speed. BMW should follow Porsche example and remove the speed limiter on all its M cars !

If it happens that top speed is really important to you, you can unlimit the M2 with a hundred (or couple hundred) bucks.

I personally doubt that top speed will be a key decision variable for most potential buyers interested on both models because you can so easily unrestrain it without dropping a lot of money buying the drivers package (which nevertheless mantains a speed limit, although higher and equal to Porsche's top speed...).

This.

Romo · 08-20-2016, 06:16 AM

Topspeed would be a non issue to me personally. (how many times do you really top it?) I live near the German border, the BAB is only a few KM`s away, and yes I do top it, I think more frequently than most people over here, but that is not where the M2 and Caymans are made for, yes they can push hard and top high, but in the end it is all about agility, I would rather take te mountain roads in the Eiffel and steer the hell out of it, than taking the BAB for low level-flying fast experience. Unfortunately the BAB is needed to get me there

The way it drives, steers, reacts, agility, braking, the overall feel of the car would mean more to me.

That being said, I do mis the 981 Cayman GTS a little bit for its exterior and brilliant screaming 6 Flat.

M3 Adjuster · 08-20-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by parrnan

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Originally Posted by Lp01

If it happens that top speed is really important to you, you can unlimit the M2 with a hundred (or couple hundred) bucks.

I personally doubt that top speed will be a key decision variable for most potential buyers interested on both models because you can so easily unrestrain it without dropping a lot of money buying the drivers package (which nevertheless mantains a speed limit, although higher and equal to Porsche's top speed...).

Maybe in your country but here it seems that no one know how to do it. The only option here is to buy a aftermarket ECU reflash but if you do that to void your car warranty... So it is not a good idea to do it in the first 4 years of the car ownership...

The "M Driver's package" is not available here. But even if it would be available, it would be way too expensive.

It seems like there are people doing coding on BMWs in most middle to large cities as well as online via remote access. The top speed can't be changed via coding ?

Jalva025dmd · 09-01-2016, 09:17 AM

Was on the list for the M2 was next in line till I got my hands on a GT4 !!thing is a beast so much fun!

Romo · 09-01-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jalva025dmd

Was on the list for the M2 was next in line till I got my hands on a GT4 !!thing is a beast so much fun!

That for sure is not a Cayman Base

Artemis · 09-07-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by csbear

These points are key... The new 718 Cayman S is going to be as fast as the current GT4. That means the upcoming Cayman GTS and GT4 (it'll happen) are going to be pretty damn fast! I prefer a manual, but a 718 GTS with PDK is going to be no slouch.

I believe to remember Porsche GT boss Andreas Preuninger confirming in an interview that the next gen Cayman GT4 will remain 6 cyl. Let's see whether the powers that be at Porsche allow him to work that out.

dmboone25 · 09-07-2016, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

I believe to remember Porsche GT boss Andreas Preuninger confirming in an interview that the next gen Cayman GT4 will remain 6 cyl. Let's see whether the powers that be at Porsche allow him to work that out.

I am remembering the same thing - and that the GTS will have the F4, so the only choice for a F6 in the Cayman will be the GT4.

Now, if they're not too chickenshit, they will give that car 400+ BHP AND PDK...I would expect some awesome performance from such a combo.

buumer · 09-20-2016, 02:54 PM

From the autocar review of the base Cayman,

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The 718 makes even the excellent BMW M2 feel like what it is: a brilliantly engineered coupé. The Cayman, unquestionably, feels like a proper, undiluted sports car from the ground up.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/...yman-20-review

The M2 is a brilliant package, but it take some serious engineering to compensate for weight and wheelbase (991 being the prime example). At the end of the day, the Caymans wheelbase is almost 9 inches shorter and it has 200-300 pounds less to lug around. Not to mention that the weight is in all the right places.

unreg · 11-05-2016, 08:01 PM

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hoyasaxa · 11-13-2016, 12:50 AM

Anyone received their car yet? If the timing on my M2 doesn't work out (I need it July for an ED trip) the base 718 cayman is my backup choice. I am worried it's too slow in daily driving and highway pulls though.

I finally got to drive the base 718 boxster but I wasn't overwhelmed. Admittedly their test drive loop was a bunch of freeway onramps, not where the chassis shines.

hoyasaxa · 11-13-2016, 12:51 AM

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Which wheels are those?

auf Deutsch · 11-13-2016, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

I am worried it's too slow in daily driving and highway pulls though.

I finally got to drive the base 718 boxster but I wasn't overwhelmed. Admittedly their test drive loop was a bunch of freeway onramps, not where the chassis shines.

Straight line speed was the deciding factor in my choice of the M2 over the 718 base Cayman. Listed below are the acceleration specs of both 6MT cars.

M2:

0-60...4.2
0-100...10.0
0-150...27.0
5-60...4.7
1/4 mile...12.7@113 mph

718:

0-60...4.3
0-100...10.5
0-150...27.8
5-60...6.1
1/4 mile...12.8@109 mph

The 1/4 mile trap speed is what sticks out to me. The M2 is similarly fast as an E9x M3, whereas the 718 is on par with my 3750 lb. 335 HP xdrive 435i. Again, we're talking straight line speed here only. Let's not divulge into different driving characteristics of the 718 and 435.

dalrx · 11-13-2016, 07:03 AM

if I don't get allocation in Dec for m2 then I'm going to the base cayman ad well. trap speed diff of 4mph is huge issue?

Romo · 11-13-2016, 07:47 AM

The speed difference is really smal IMHO but the difference in how the engine is running is huge I would say, after another testdrive with the 718 Cayman S it is very clear, painful clear the 4 F is raw, it is resonating into the interior.

The M2 6IL is really so much better on running characteristics, so smooth, the 4F is no contest on that issue.

No Boost · 11-13-2016, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dalrx

if I don't get allocation in Dec for m2 then I'm going to the base cayman ad well. trap speed diff of 4mph is huge issue?

Trap speed is the best indicator of real world acceleration butt dyno speed. It pretty much negates poor launches sometimes caused by high torque RWD vehicles. For example, I (435i) can hit 60 in just over 4s due to the fact that I have AWD, a quick shifting/close ratio 8AT, and launch control. That puts it pretty much dead even with the M2. But, it's around 4-5 mph slower through the 1/4 mile (which yes, is substantial) even though the ET is similar. The M2 is moving at a faster pace, walking away from my 435 at higher speeds. That butt dyno highway pull speed will definitely be felt.

I'm not saying 109 is by any means slow. 10-15 years ago that was almost supercar territory. Test drive the 718. It may very well be fast enough for you. It looks to be superior to the M2 in all categories except for perhaps the most important one, the engine.

dalrx · 11-13-2016, 12:09 PM

I did test drive 718 in s model on track and base on public road. the power ...getup and go and sound are more than good for me in base. the s well I don't think worth 15k over the base for similar drive.

unreg · 11-13-2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Which wheels are those?

Carrera S 20"
Without the centre pieces, as it was before preparation.

MTHRAR · 11-14-2016, 10:40 PM

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Looks great! I'm jealous, haha. I think P-Car is in my future.

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Romo Lieutenant Colonel 1765 Rep 1,668 Posts Drives: GR Yaris GT4RS Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Topspeed would be a non issue to me personally. (how many times do you really top it?) I live near the German border, the BAB is only a few KM`s away, and yes I do top it, I think more frequently than most people over here, but that is not where the M2 and Caymans are made for, yes they can push hard and top high, but in the end it is all about agility, I would rather take te mountain roads in the Eiffel and steer the hell out of it, than taking the BAB for low level-flying fast experience. Unfortunately the BAB is needed to get me there The way it drives, steers, reacts, agility, braking, the overall feel of the car would mean more to me. That being said, I do mis the 981 Cayman GTS a little bit for its exterior and brilliant screaming 6 Flat. Last edited by Romo; 08-20-2016 at 06:22 AM..
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Romo Lieutenant Colonel 1765 Rep 1,668 Posts Drives: GR Yaris GT4RS Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	The speed difference is really smal IMHO but the difference in how the engine is running is huge I would say, after another testdrive with the 718 Cayman S it is very clear, painful clear the 4 F is raw, it is resonating into the interior. The M2 6IL is really so much better on running characteristics, so smooth, the 4F is no contest on that issue.
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